Now is the Time Danny

[Csfan1984]

I have to agree that the market is stacked so tp. Mozgov, Lopez, Bogut, Chandler, Okafor, and Faried are probably also on the market.

[mef730]

First, TP for an interesting topic.

Second, I'm hoping for Nurkic. I say that based on the criteria that I use for every free agent that we target: How much fun would it be to hear Tommy try and pronounce his name? I think he's the clear winner in the group discussed here.

Mike

[walker834]

Let the Nurkic rumors begin.  I could get behind Nurkic if he was the second coming of Mchale but he isn't nearly that efficient at this point in his career.  He also seems to be a guy who will always just try to muscle players vs having an actual post game.  Horford is really a better rebounder than all these guys and more skilled. Outside of Cousins.  Noel does a good job using his length.

I'm not sure i want another Vitaly Potopenko on this team.

Nurkic has more ability than that.  Denver has a way of finding guys like this.  Gallinari is another one but are these guys really that good?

[TheSundanceKid]

A deal for Cousins is the obvious preferred course for Danny, he's been positioning for it for years. The only question is timing. I think that we have 2 options on that front:

1) Look to add Cousins this season and then look to add a bit of wing depth in the summer with the little cap space we would have.

2) Look to create max cap space for a guy like Hayward in the summer and then trade for Cousins. Hayward would mean losing Bradley/Smart/Crowder would hurt a lot less, you could move two of them with Hayward on board. This means we can create a much more attractive package for Sac. The downside to this is that we wouldn't be as competitive this year though and we would probably also need to move KO this year to get the cap room to sign Hayward. Perhaps we see KO for Bogut and a pick from Dallas

One trade I have long thought could happen is KO and Rozier for Okafor. Then use Okafor as a key piece in the Cousins trade. This would move us towards being able to afford Hayward before that as well

[nickagneta]

Danny has had enough opportunity to right the ship.  He coulda had ibaka a few years ago, never went after him.  Had giorg deng sitting there to be drafted, never took him.  Ainge has done nothing but played it safe since Stevens got here and it's near time for both of them to go.  Enough with the feel good stories and opportunities, we need a real team!

Any source on that? I have a hard time believing that OKC was gonna trade Ibaka back before Steven Adams broke out (not to mention what the price for him would have been - Orlando traded a former #2 pick and another first rounder for a one year rental of him. And that's not even mentioning that he looked like a much better player a few years ago)

I haven't seen anything to make me think he was available a few years ago, nevermind whether or not he would have been available for a reasonable price

I think the same year we got Jeff green

Ibaka was never available when he was that young. In 2011 Ibaka was in his 2nd season and at the deadline was averaging 10/8 with 2.5 blocks. He was never available until last year.

Also, cry all you want about not drafting Dieng but a whole bunch of other teams passed on him too and the boo hoo hoo crying over Monday morning quarterbacking on the draft, especially picks out of the top 10 is stupid. Just about every fanbase of every team can whine about "why didnt our GM draft so and so over the pkayer he drafted? So and so is so much better" years later. Its old and ridiculous at this or any time other than right after the draft. Wanna b!tch about who Danny should have drafted, do it right after the draft, otherwise, you are just using hindsight to show how brilliant you are.

[mef730]

Danny has had enough opportunity to right the ship.  He coulda had ibaka a few years ago, never went after him.  Had giorg deng sitting there to be drafted, never took him.  Ainge has done nothing but played it safe since Stevens got here and it's near time for both of them to go.  Enough with the feel good stories and opportunities, we need a real team!

Any source on that? I have a hard time believing that OKC was gonna trade Ibaka back before Steven Adams broke out (not to mention what the price for him would have been - Orlando traded a former #2 pick and another first rounder for a one year rental of him. And that's not even mentioning that he looked like a much better player a few years ago)

I haven't seen anything to make me think he was available a few years ago, nevermind whether or not he would have been available for a reasonable price

I think the same year we got Jeff green

Ibaka was never available when he was that young. In 2011 Ibaka was in his 2nd season and at the deadline was averaging 10/8 with 2.5 blocks. He was never available until last year.

Also, cry all you want about not drafting Dieng but a whole bunch of other teams passed on him too and the boo hoo hoo crying over Monday morning quarterbacking on the draft, especially picks out of the top 10 is stupid. Just about every fanbase of every team can whine about "why didnt our GM draft so and so over the pkayer he drafted? So and so is so much better" years later. Its old and ridiculous at this or any time other than right after the draft. Wanna b!tch about who Danny should have drafted, do it right after the draft, otherwise, you are just using hindsight to show how brilliant you are.

No kidding. We need a CB meme related to any thread and the mention of The Player We Didn't Draft. Sort of our own version of Godwin's Law.

Mike

[Bobshot]

Somebody might wind up getting Noel for a bag of peanuts. The coach just took him out of the rotation, so he's glued to the bench. This will make him even happier.

The iron is getting pretty hot--time for Ainge to strike. Noel can give them what they don't have up front. Horford needs help.

[vjcsmoke]

If we can get a player on the cheap, I don't see why not.

Noel or Nurkic could help with our rebounding woes.

As long as we're not giving up significant pieces I would support an upgrade at the other big position.

I still think Cousins is a pipe dream unless he flat out asks to be traded.

[green_bballers13]

The only guy I see here that I would pursue is Nurkic. Cousins is a cancer. Noel can be had for nothing in the off season if Danny strikes out on a max level guy. Monroe is a net negative on the court and has been since a rookie, very much not the type of big this team is looking for. Cauley-Stein just isnt that good. Vucevic has two years remaining and would kill any chance of the Celtics being able to offer a max contract any time soon.

The guy I go after is Serge Ibaka if the Magic still suck come the trade deadline. You offer up Amir who has a matching $12 million expiring contract plus a pick and bring him in for just this year. Ibaka would fit perfectly on this team alongside Horford.

That seems like a strong characterization of Cousins. Why is he a cancer?

[nickagneta]

The only guy I see here that I would pursue is Nurkic. Cousins is a cancer. Noel can be had for nothing in the off season if Danny strikes out on a max level guy. Monroe is a net negative on the court and has been since a rookie, very much not the type of big this team is looking for. Cauley-Stein just isnt that good. Vucevic has two years remaining and would kill any chance of the Celtics being able to offer a max contract any time soon.

The guy I go after is Serge Ibaka if the Magic still suck come the trade deadline. You offer up Amir who has a matching $12 million expiring contract plus a pick and bring him in for just this year. Ibaka would fit perfectly on this team alongside Horford.

That seems like a strong characterization of Cousins. Why is he a cancer?

You really have to ask?

[showtime]

The only guy I see here that I would pursue is Nurkic. Cousins is a cancer. Noel can be had for nothing in the off season if Danny strikes out on a max level guy. Monroe is a net negative on the court and has been since a rookie, very much not the type of big this team is looking for. Cauley-Stein just isnt that good. Vucevic has two years remaining and would kill any chance of the Celtics being able to offer a max contract any time soon.

The guy I go after is Serge Ibaka if the Magic still suck come the trade deadline. You offer up Amir who has a matching $12 million expiring contract plus a pick and bring him in for just this year. Ibaka would fit perfectly on this team alongside Horford.

That seems like a strong characterization of Cousins. Why is he a cancer?

  I actually don't think it's strong enough!!

[Bobshot]

What's interesting is pretty much all the bigs discussed here would help the Celtics right now.
It's a question of who can best play next to Horford, rebound and play defense. Horford is playing the 5 right now, but only because they don't have a suitable 5 who can start next to him. He is versatile enough to be an effective 4, though Millsap played the 4 in Atlanta most of the time.

I'd prefer a guy who lives around the rim--which is what Al does not do. That would be a Noel or maybe a Stein,Nurkic or Bogut. Perhaps they could pry Vucevic from Orlando.

Cousins changes the equation. He's the star Ainge seems to hunger for. Except he has baggage. A hothead. And would the chemistry work? Hard to sort that out. He's the classic alpha dog. Has to be the main guy to be effective. Like Durant, the numbers will drop, but  GS seems to be working things out pretty well. Cousins gives you an offensive upgrade, and you have filled a double need. He can also dominate inside.

If he gets along in the locker room, I don't worry about his miniseries with the media. The trouble with the media is you get into trouble with one of them, you get on everybody's crap list. They have a tendency to protect each other. Russell never cared much for the media, either, and it was much better in those days. Less of them. Today, they are always angling for stuff. DUI, fights with wife or girlfriend, relatives, etc. A guy has a problem outside, leagues feel compelled to punish them. I don't agree with all that--most of it used to be kept private. But we know the media has changed the formula lately. They pay the freight.

[green_bballers13]

The only guy I see here that I would pursue is Nurkic. Cousins is a cancer. Noel can be had for nothing in the off season if Danny strikes out on a max level guy. Monroe is a net negative on the court and has been since a rookie, very much not the type of big this team is looking for. Cauley-Stein just isnt that good. Vucevic has two years remaining and would kill any chance of the Celtics being able to offer a max contract any time soon.

The guy I go after is Serge Ibaka if the Magic still suck come the trade deadline. You offer up Amir who has a matching $12 million expiring contract plus a pick and bring him in for just this year. Ibaka would fit perfectly on this team alongside Horford.

That seems like a strong characterization of Cousins. Why is he a cancer?

You really have to ask?

I really do have to ask. Can you please explain why he's a cancer? Cancerous cells overcome and kill the body's tissue. To me, Boogie is the only thing keeping this team alive (they aren't far out of the playoffs right now). Without him, they are competing with BKN for the first pick in the draft. Using your metaphor, I think Cousins is the heart or brain of the Kings.

Beyond thinking that you're wrong about Cousins, I think comparing people to cancer is pretty silly.

[green_bballers13]

Crickets?

[LatterDayCelticsfan]

Danny has had enough opportunity to right the ship.  He coulda had ibaka a few years ago, never went after him.  Had giorg deng sitting there to be drafted, never took him.  Ainge has done nothing but played it safe since Stevens got here and it's near time for both of them to go.  Enough with the feel good stories and opportunities, we need a real team!

Any source on that? I have a hard time believing that OKC was gonna trade Ibaka back before Steven Adams broke out (not to mention what the price for him would have been - Orlando traded a former #2 pick and another first rounder for a one year rental of him. And that's not even mentioning that he looked like a much better player a few years ago)

I haven't seen anything to make me think he was available a few years ago, nevermind whether or not he would have been available for a reasonable price

I think the same year we got Jeff green

Ibaka was never available when he was that young. In 2011 Ibaka was in his 2nd season and at the deadline was averaging 10/8 with 2.5 blocks. He was never available until last year.

Also, cry all you want about not drafting Dieng but a whole bunch of other teams passed on him too and the boo hoo hoo crying over Monday morning quarterbacking on the draft, especially picks out of the top 10 is stupid. Just about every fanbase of every team can whine about "why didnt our GM draft so and so over the pkayer he drafted? So and so is so much better" years later. Its old and ridiculous at this or any time other than right after the draft. Wanna b!tch about who Danny should have drafted, do it right after the draft, otherwise, you are just using hindsight to show how brilliant you are.

No kidding. We need a CB meme related to any thread and the mention of The Player We Didn't Draft. Sort of our own version of Godwin's Law.

Mike

Fiddler on the roof fans here is your meme
http://www.mememaker.net/meme/but-on-the-other-hand-/