Ainge Built a Flawed team

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

"Built" implies that he's finished, but he's not.

[GreenFaith1819]

This is a team in progress.

I'd rather take a view of us once we've managed to have EVERYONE healthy for a stretch.

[walker834]

IT and Horford just got here and are playing their first 20 or so games together.  We have a good core group with them that have been here a while but even they are  young.  Jaylen is a rookie.  We still have to put those missing pieces around them.

Before Pierce was already here.  Ainge had to disassemble that and build a nucleus and is still doing that. I think we have the nucleus at this point.  It's those added touches.

[colincb]

Is noel a good rebounder?

Very middle of the road. Career total rebounding percentage is slightly better than Tyler Zeller's and Noel would be at the 52-53rd percentile among 2016-17 PFs and centers who have played at least 10 games and averaged 10 mpg. Really would prefer keeping Rozier than getting Noel. If it's a late 1st + filler I could live with it, but Noel's a backup. I'd rather have Bogut, but he has his own set of warts. Much better rebounder though and excellent defender.

[blink]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

So is there some story that you can point to that says Stevens isn't interested in Cousins?  I haven't ever read that.  Doesn't mean that it isn't true though.

[liam]

This team is not a finished product. Even if we are only waiting to grow our own players. I don't think anyone thought that this was a championship year. I think there are franchise players in this years draft and next years. We still have growing to do but I think that this team is still treading up. I think we are even trending up this year and next year and next.

I think if we can win a series this year it will be a success and hopefully go 6 in the next. If we can get a rebounding big for some lose change like young Zeller Amir JJ and our three second round picks next year that would be nice. This draft is loaded so we have much hope.

We don't want sacrifice any assets or take on any long term contracts just for a rebounder that only makes us tad better. We are still in the middle of the long term plan, but a rebound on the cheap would be nice especially if he could defend his position.

[nickagneta]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

So is there some story that you can point to that says Stevens isn't interested in Cousins?  I haven't ever read that.  Doesn't mean that it isn't true though.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.masslive.com/articles/19688419/boston_celtics_trade_rumors_es.amp?client=ms-android-verizon

[Bobshot]

The Celtics have never won anything without a guy to plug the paint and bang the boards. That's not Horford's strength. They knew that when they signed him, but the coach is in love with perimeter type bigs. Guys who can shoot the 3 and pick n'roll and defend it.

Noel is an inside defensive guy, an Everett kid who wants to play in Boston. The Celtics are maybe putting the squeeze on Philly, still hoping the Kings will trade Cousins, or just plain don't want another big.

I said before I heard Danny say personnel decisions are made equally by Wyc, himself and Stevens. Judging by Stevens' taste in bigs (or lack of it), I would say 50/50 they do nothing.

At present, they are little more than a .500 team, so Danny will have to take the reins sooner or later.

[blink]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

this is not really dannys team no more. It's CBS team

Danny will make sure he rips you off on deals but in terms of what type of talent is wanted, its mostly CBS

if you can't shoot, pass, play hard you are not really wanted.... and you don't even have to be a gifted shooter...because if you are a hard worker you will eventually become a solid shooter, per CBS eyes

so for me, so far CBS has built a flawed team....for now

Like the lack of want for rebounding specialists even.   The more rebounds a player like this can grab and /or protect the rim, the less hard the rest of the team has to play at times.

example grabbing Amir Johnson over Biyombo last season

This is completely your imagination. Danny builds the team, Stevens coaches it. Stevens has some input but the team building is mostly Danny. You have zero proof Stevens wanted Johnson but Ainge wanted Biyombo. None. This is just a complete fairy tale.

no , This is completely your imagination. .. get it straight

When has danny ever drafted a player like KO in the past?? 

think about when Rivers was the coach.   Danny brought in Fab Melo, Kedrick Brown type athletes.  Because these are kind of players Rivers preferred.   

You think Danny will draft these kind of players for CBS??  You think CBS does not have quite a say as to who is drafted, what type of player comes through the door?

Confirmation bias. You are just taking examples and weaving a complete fiction around them.

At least I have examples

What are you basing your analysis on?

Common sense. GMs build teams, coaches coach them.

Do you really believe Stevens wanted David Lee, Gerald Green, or Jordan Crawford on his teams. All players Ainge brought in.

Also, Ainge is reported to be interested in Cousins and Stevens is not. Zach Lowe reported that. If Cousins gets traded here, Stevens will have to deal with it, the same way he did with Lee, Crawford, Green,

So is there some story that you can point to that says Stevens isn't interested in Cousins?  I haven't ever read that.  Doesn't mean that it isn't true though.

https://www.google.com/amp/www.masslive.com/articles/19688419/boston_celtics_trade_rumors_es.amp?client=ms-android-verizon

thanks!  tp

[mctyson]

We're not contending this year, with or without better rebounding. We need to put together an elite 5-man unit. We need stars to do that.

Depends on your definition of contending.  If you mean 'take Cleveland to at least 6 games in the EC Finals' I don't think they are far off from that.

[KG Living Legend]

"Built" implies that he's finished, but he's not.

 I mean he built a Flawed team this year. A team  many here thought would win 52 plus games.

 That's not happening right now unless he makes a nice mud season trade.

[PhoSita]

"Built" implies that he's finished, but he's not.

Yup.

[Kuberski33]

They've absolutely taken a step back this season but I also don't think Danny cares.  He's not trying to finish 2nd in the East, he's looking to build a championship team.  To do that you need to develop a core that you can move forward with. 

I do think they expected the team to be better, but Crowder, Smart and Olynyk have under-achieved and Amir has declined due to age.

But moving forward they've got a core of IT, Horford, Bradley, Brown and maybe Rozier.  Everyone else is expendable.  Too bad too because it's becoming apparent that they missed on Smart at #6. He'll be in the league for a long time but he's a journeyman talent because he can't shoot.  Nothing close to the impact player you're hoping to get with a pick that high.

Right now patience is required because this summer will be their opportunity to significantly improve the team's talent level.

[Baystbadger]

We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

The lack of offense in that group you referenced is scary. To me, it's blantanly obvious that this team lacks somebody who can create their own shot; I think that's the biggest need at this point. If their defense suffers a little from upgrading on offense, so be it. I still think this team improves as a whole. The C's are a terrible shooting team yet the only thing they do on offense is shoot 3's. I'm not blaming Stevens for that either as I think the team is just as bad shooting contested jumpers inside the line, too, and that problem falls on Ainge. Other than IT, there is nobody that can penetrate and create their own shot. As a result, when IT is not on the floor, the offense consists of handing the ball off around the 3 point line, wasting 20 seconds, and chucking up a 3. At this point, even somebody with some length/size who is at least built to create their own shot would be nice. The only blame I put on Stevens right now is playing Smart so much more than Rozier. I have never been a fan of Smart since the moment he was drafted.His defense has regressed this year and his shot is still just as atrocious as it was when he was drafted. Rozier has shown more on both sides of the ball if you ask me and the team just looks much more competetent when he's playing over Smart.

[walker834]

I think it goes back to team basketball.  I just made the comment that Bradley, IT and Horford are all top 10 at their respective positions and chip in in a variety of ways.  Bradley's rebounds have jumped because we have players just doing that.  We are missing some pieces but have Smart and Jaylen is coming.  I'm really not that worried about it.  We have a lot of underrated players and good team basketball where when we add those missing pieces we won't miss a beat.

IT can't create his own shot?   

YEah we could use a couple more guys but again we have players that can create their own shots.

IT is really the catalyst right now where we spread the floor and guys chip in in a variety of ways.