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Ainge Built a Flawed team
« on: December 17, 2016, 04:34:24 AM »

Offline KG Living Legend

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 We need a rebounder, and we need one bad. It's tough to watch. Horford is good, but as others had warned his rebounding is not good at this stage of his career.

 In 20 mins Amir is pulling down 4 RPG.
 Olynyk 4.4 RPG in 21.4 mpg
 Horford 6.2 RPG in 32.4 mpg

 Bradley in 33.5 mpg is grabbing 7.6 RPG!

 I've never seen such pathetic rebounding big men in all my life. And they are good aside from rebounding, it's the wierdest thing.

 Horford is better than expected as a shot blocker, flying around the court like an animal, but can't rebound anywhere out of his zone.

 It's an easy fix Ainge. Grab Noel and do it now he's a perfect fit right here right now. I love Horford shooting three's actually, but  so disappointed in Al's inside game.

 All Noel can do on offense is score inside. Noel and Horford defensively together would be outstanding.

 Noel
 Horford
 Brown
 Bradley
 Smart

 Nobody wood ever score on that team.

Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #1 on: December 17, 2016, 04:39:27 AM »

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and this team would score on nobody.

Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #2 on: December 17, 2016, 04:59:13 AM »

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Is noel a good rebounder?

Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #3 on: December 17, 2016, 05:15:13 AM »

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Is noel a good rebounder?


 Yes. Better than our bigs. 8.1 RPG. On our team he has a chance at 9 or 10 RPG

Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #4 on: December 17, 2016, 06:26:11 AM »

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Danny ain't even finished with developing this team. BKN picks and free agency still coming up next season. The team underperforming could be part of his plan too. He said the team is doing well despite losing 3 straight games.

2017-19 could be our season. We have already spent the picks or traded them for stars. Marcus, Jaylen and Rozier could have improved. The new CBA gives the Celtics an incentive to resign all of AB, IT and Smart, that's if they manage to make All-NBA, All-Star or All-Defensive teams at that time.

Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #5 on: December 17, 2016, 07:12:43 AM »

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The Celtics are 25th in defensive rebound % at 74.4%
Cleveland is 26th at 74.3%
G.S. is 27th at 74.2%
Indiana is 28th at 74.2%
N.Y. is 29th at 73.8%
Toronto is 30th at 73.4%

Are all those teams flawed also?  The 2 biggest title favorites plus number 2 in the east are rebounding at slightly lower rates defensively than Boston.  The NBA game is a game of give and take, you do not just add rebounding as it will most certainly cost you in other areas.

Noel is not much of an improvement in the rebounding department and he would likely be a big drag on the offense in the half court.  Not to mention that his 11 million cap hold would be extremely restrictive next summer.

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« Reply #6 on: December 17, 2016, 07:25:12 AM »

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Right we have to be able to spread the floor.  We are in position where we could possibly do both and be b etter than the clevelands and gs's of the of the world and have better perimeter defense and rebounding but it will be at the cost of something.  This is what Ainge is trying to do though without sacrificing that so much.

We don't want to be the hawks per sey. With KO and the other bigs we have we can be versatile and do both in ways though with the right moves.
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« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2016, 07:26:40 AM »

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The team isn't "built" yet.   But we are getting there.   Noel isn't a great rebounder but at least he's adequate.

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« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2016, 07:29:43 AM »

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For some reason DA puts a low priority on a good big man.  He went and got KG.  Thats it in all these years as GM.  He traded away Perk and killed our title hopes that season, and Perk was just a solid big.  I don't get it.  I like this team but I also like to have that big presence inside that give the team some toughness.  The C's don't have that right now.  There is something to be said for grabbing that big rebound when the game is on the line and the other team is crashing the boards to win the game.   

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« Reply #9 on: December 17, 2016, 07:30:05 AM »

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Cleveland beat GS because they  had better perimeter defense and rebounding with Lebron and Love. Plus they can spread the floor.  Not by much but they are a bigger more physical team. Plus they can shoot and have Lebron who is better than Draymond.  GS  has Durant now though.

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« Reply #10 on: December 17, 2016, 07:34:26 AM »

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This team is not flawed though.  We are missing something at this point is all.  We are in position to be better than those teams.  What that is is for Ainge to figure out. I've been trying to do it too much and my head hurts at this point.

IT and Horford are a great combo potentially. I"m just going to enjoy it from here on out.

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« Reply #11 on: December 17, 2016, 07:45:02 AM »

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Every team has flaws. That the Celtics aren't a top-tier contender shouldn't be a surprise. We're a work in progress, and Danny has been trying to upgrade.

Yes, this team could use a good rebounder and interior defender.  However, I think Danny's focus is on making a big move to get us closer to contender status, rather than something more incremental.


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Re: Ainge Built a Flawed team
« Reply #12 on: December 17, 2016, 07:46:42 AM »

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For some reason DA puts a low priority on a good big man.  He went and got KG.  Thats it in all these years as GM.  He traded away Perk and killed our title hopes that season, and Perk was just a solid big.  I don't get it.  I like this team but I also like to have that big presence inside that give the team some toughness.  The C's don't have that right now.  There is something to be said for grabbing that big rebound when the game is on the line and the other team is crashing the boards to win the game.   
Your definition of a good big man has to change as a big like Perkins simply couldn't function in this expanded NBA game.  There is just to much ground to cover and to many switches that are death sentences if you do not make them.  Your bigs are being forced to defend in space far away from the hoop and Perkins would just be a sitting duck waiting to be exploited.  I would love to add a highly mobile, tough guy, banger type but they almost don't exist.

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« Reply #13 on: December 17, 2016, 07:48:16 AM »

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Kevin Love and Millsap are it as far as highly mobile banger types.

Or there's guys like Porzingis and Anthony Davis who aren't banger types but have length to block shots and score.

Noel is basically this but with better rebounding than Porzingis and not the offense.

Not really a banger though. More like Amir but more athletic.

Amir is more a banger than he is though in ways as far as toughness. If we use him like that and then bring in guys like KO. 

Yab is also this. So is Zizic with more length.

Bogut, etc.. But these guys have been talked about. 

Boogie really can do everything.   Not as mobile as Noel.  Or Millsap for that  matter but has both length size and  mobility.

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« Reply #14 on: December 17, 2016, 07:53:33 AM »

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Horford is here because he is the best of everything. He's a decent enough rebounder and highly  mobile. And he can block shots.

It and Horford are a great combo potentiallly.

We don't want to clog the paint too much.  We have to keep that versatility.

If we have a spot guy to come in for example. Even Howard but these are all just ideas.  They aren't set in stone.  Half of of these guys I don't even really want.