IT4 For Hood & Hill: who says no?

[footey]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

When I following the 4th quarter on my phone tonight I couldn't help but think how long Thomas has been undervalued by Celtics fans and how we are finally acknowledging he is a top 20 player in the NBA. I actually specifically remembered this thread (and not picking on the OP there were lots of these kinds of idea) because we were talking about trading him for a pu pu platter of hood and Hill. Some people had Hill as equal to IT just a few months ago on this blog. It is amazing what a few months of continued domination has done for IT around the league.

IT is not a top 20 player.

He's a top 10 player. He will make 2nd team all pro. He should be a top 2-3 vote getter for MVP.  He won't but he should.

[celticsclay]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

When I following the 4th quarter on my phone tonight I couldn't help but think how long Thomas has been undervalued by Celtics fans and how we are finally acknowledging he is a top 20 player in the NBA. I actually specifically remembered this thread (and not picking on the OP there were lots of these kinds of idea) because we were talking about trading him for a pu pu platter of hood and Hill. Some people had Hill as equal to IT just a few months ago on this blog. It is amazing what a few months of continued domination has done for IT around the league.

IT is not a top 20 player.

He's a top 10 player. He will make 2nd team all pro. He should be a top 2-3 vote getter for MVP.  He won't but he should.

I think he has played like a top ten player this year. I said top 20 to avoid having this get derailed on his exact ranking. I don't think any team has ever had a legit MVP candidate that the fans were trying to trade for a pu pu platter like George Hill and Rodney Hood two months into the season. Is this kind of stuff finally going to be put to bed? 

[liam]

This was the biggest win of the year so far and we are only getting better. I don't think we've been at full strength all year but we are #2 in the East. I'll take it!

[celticsclay]

This was the biggest win of the year so far and we are only getting better. I don't think we've been at full strength all year but we are #2 in the East. I'll take it!

well played

[Phantom255x]

I would absolutely make this trade 

[Eddie20]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

[saltlover]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

In small fairness to Moranis, this is a necro'd thread from six weeks ago -- towards the beginning of IT hitting a new level.

[celticsclay]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

In small fairness to Moranis, this is a necro'd thread from six weeks ago -- towards the beginning of IT hitting a new level.

There was never a point this season aside from after the first or second game that Thomas was averaging less than 25 points. He was an all-star last year and was always projected as one this year. It was an insane devaluing of our star player then and it looks even more foolish now.

[saltlover]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

In small fairness to Moranis, this is a necro'd thread from six weeks ago -- towards the beginning of IT hitting a new level.

There was never a point this season aside from after the first or second game that Thomas was averaging less than 25 points. He was an all-star last year and was always projected as one this year. It was an insane devaluing of our star player then and it looks even more foolish now.

Notice how I said "small fairness."

[Moranis]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

In small fairness to Moranis, this is a necro'd thread from six weeks ago -- towards the beginning of IT hitting a new level.

There was never a point this season aside from after the first or second game that Thomas was averaging less than 25 points. He was an all-star last year and was always projected as one this year. It was an insane devaluing of our star player then and it looks even more foolish now.

Notice how I said "small fairness."

Thanks.  Obviously Thomas has gone to another level since then and since Hill returned from his injury hasn't been as good as he was early on (but Hill is still shooting 40% from three and is still a much better defender than Thomas), but Hill and Hood is still good value for Thomas.  With the contract situation and the fact that Boston doesn't need 2 guards for 1 guard you don't make that trade if you are Boston, but in a vacuum I think that trade is pretty fair.

[Moranis]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

I pretty clearly in this thread said that Boston would not trade Thomas for Hill, but hey let's just ignore things when we rail on people.  That makes for better entertainment.

[perks-a-beast]

As the OP I must say - this seems a pretty foolish proposition now. IT4 has proved he's up there with the best in the world.

[slamtheking]

Utah says no. Boston probably says yes.

Yep.  Taking contracts out of it, I don't even know if Utah would trade Hill straight up for Thomas given he is a vastly superior defensive player and a more efficient offensive player (though with lesser volume).

Moranis, the way you devalue C's players is numbing. You must be stunned we're currently the #2 seed. So by your rationale, the C's swapping Hill for Thomas would yield a similar record, right? Not sure if you realize this or not, but the reason why the Pacers wanted to move Hill is because he lacks anything reminiscent of playmaking skills. He's basically a better version of Chalmers, where he can play off a facilitator on offense (George in Indy, Hayward now) and cover opposing 1's on D.

In small fairness to Moranis, this is a necro'd thread from six weeks ago -- towards the beginning of IT hitting a new level.

There was never a point this season aside from after the first or second game that Thomas was averaging less than 25 points. He was an all-star last year and was always projected as one this year. It was an insane devaluing of our star player then and it looks even more foolish now.

Notice how I said "small fairness."

Thanks.  Obviously Thomas has gone to another level since then and since Hill returned from his injury hasn't been as good as he was early on (but Hill is still shooting 40% from three and is still a much better defender than Thomas), but Hill and Hood is still good value for Thomas.  With the contract situation and the fact that Boston doesn't need 2 guards for 1 guard you don't make that trade if you are Boston, but in a vacuum I think that trade is pretty fair.

um, no.  not then and especially not now. 

I have no issues with trading IT in the right deal and i'm probably one of the few here who harp on his shortcomings (no short jokes implied) but he was worth more than them before he went on his scoring tear this year.  Now, he'd be easily worth Hayward in a trade (with Utah probably having to cough up more pieces in the deal) or Favors and Hood (with Utah kicking in more in that deal too). 

I'm not ready to proclaim IT a top 20 player but he's become just an unstoppable scorer at this point.  Factor in his current contract being a real bargain for what he's producing and his value is incredible in any deal --> that's if Danny is ok with trading the current face of the franchise so soon after dealing away the previous face of the franchise.

[CoachBo]

The OP is sheer, unadulterated lunacy.

[CsBanner18]

This post is foolishness at its best