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« on: December 16, 2016, 05:12:46 AM »

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avery may have made a decision to score and rebound more and tone down his aggression on defense a bit during season
marcus is playing with remarkable cool on offence and again may have sacrificed a bit on defense the same with crowder
have the three of them sacrificed  a bit of defensive intensity for durability, offence  and rebounding
our guards are rebounding at a high rate, another area that takes away from defense
we lost sully and turner -rebounding and dribble penetration and it shows
last year regular season was a joy to watch, if your defensive minded
-the celts played playoff defense for the whole season and what did it accomplish
 this year the team has lacked cohesiveness with injuries, rookies and a new all star player
now with isaiah back and marcus paired with rozier ,brown jerebkoand kelly  we might gain some traction



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« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2016, 05:17:53 AM »

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I think so.  That goes along with being asked to do more things.  Good point on the rebounding.  Our guards have had to rebound a lot more.  We need better bigs than we have imo.  Crowder is the guy who bugs me the most though he's basically just jacking 3's and is not that strong at driving. His hustle on rebounds hasn't been great either.  Smart and Bradley are continuing to grow.  Crowder is older though.   Good player and nothing against him but just out of his element imo the way this team is constructed right now.  It's not really his fault.

Crowder reminds me of Lagarrette Blount for some reason. Good team guy.  He left the pats and then came back and is having a great year.  I really just think he's out of his element right now the way the team is constructed. 

Probably will bounce back in a different role.

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« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2016, 05:23:03 AM »

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Wojnarowski said yesterday a premise that should be considered from all of us, that Boston seems to overrate their assets (by assets I believe he meant players).

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« Reply #3 on: December 16, 2016, 07:08:15 AM »

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I think so.  That goes along with being asked to do more things.  Good point on the rebounding.  Our guards have had to rebound a lot more.  We need better bigs than we have imo.  Crowder is the guy who bugs me the most though he's basically just jacking 3's and is not that strong at driving. His hustle on rebounds hasn't been great either.  Smart and Bradley are continuing to grow.  Crowder is older though.   Good player and nothing against him but just out of his element imo the way this team is constructed right now.  It's not really his fault.

Crowder reminds me of Lagarrette Blount for some reason. Good team guy.  He left the pats and then came back and is having a great year.  I really just think he's out of his element right now the way the team is constructed. 

Probably will bounce back in a different role.

1st off, if one more person (and by this I mean a respected, long-term poster) comes up with the hot-take that we need better bigs, I am going to start an all-out assault campaign that we trade Jaylen Brown for Omer Asik. I will assume admin punishment risks.

Second, Jae is actually shooting the three at his highest clip this year. So, if he is shooting at a tick under .400, Saul Goodman.

Third, he's never been a great rebounder - he can barely dunk the basketball. That is not his role.

He is the perfect guy off the bench, however, on championship team.. Jaylen , or Hayward, or someone else is your starter... still cannot believe we have Jae cost-controlled until 2019-2020 - for next to peanuts.

Your best argument seemed to be summed up perfectly in the last sentence.
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« Reply #4 on: December 16, 2016, 07:36:27 AM »

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Disappointed in all 3 of them defensively.

Smart is too heavy and doesn't have as much quickness and agility as previous years. He needs to lose some of that extra heft.

I am hoping it is just coming back from injury with Crowder because his defensive impact is way lower than it was last year. Otherwise, his value is much lower than we'd hoped.

No idea why Avery's defense has dropped off.

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« Reply #5 on: December 16, 2016, 08:06:13 AM »

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I think so.  That goes along with being asked to do more things.  Good point on the rebounding.  Our guards have had to rebound a lot more.  We need better bigs than we have imo.  Crowder is the guy who bugs me the most though he's basically just jacking 3's and is not that strong at driving. His hustle on rebounds hasn't been great either.  Smart and Bradley are continuing to grow.  Crowder is older though.   Good player and nothing against him but just out of his element imo the way this team is constructed right now.  It's not really his fault.

Crowder reminds me of Lagarrette Blount for some reason. Good team guy.  He left the pats and then came back and is having a great year.  I really just think he's out of his element right now the way the team is constructed. 

Probably will bounce back in a different role.

1st off, if one more person (and by this I mean a respected, long-term poster) comes up with the hot-take that we need better bigs, I am going to start an all-out assault campaign that we trade Jaylen Brown for Omer Asik. I will assume admin punishment risks.

Second, Jae is actually shooting the three at his highest clip this year. So, if he is shooting at a tick under .400, Saul Goodman.

Third, he's never been a great rebounder - he can barely dunk the basketball. That is not his role.

He is the perfect guy off the bench, however, on championship team.. Jaylen , or Hayward, or someone else is your starter... still cannot believe we have Jae cost-controlled until 2019-2020 - for next to peanuts.

Your best argument seemed to be summed up perfectly in the last sentence.

That was my argument that he is playing out of his role.  By jacking 3's I mean more than half his shots this year are 3 point shots.  At home  for some reason close to 70 percent of his shots are 3's. He has not stepped up in any other area because he is basically just standing at the 3 point line shooting 3's.  He is not that strong a driver.  He is not that fast or athletic or active in any other way. He's not the type of guy who can get from the 3 point line to do other things.  Stevens has us spreading the floor.

He's shooting a decent percentage but it's not really taking advantage of his toughness in other ways when he is at the 3 point line a huge percentage of the time.

All in all he's still having a decent year.  It's just what we are doing with the personnel we have.  Stevens wants to shoot the 3. It's just difficult for Crowder to do those other things when he's at the 3 point line a huge  percentage of the time.

If we had a legit center who could rebound it wouldn't matter that much but with KO in there we are a 3 point shooting team. Too much right now imo.

Is that a hot take? I guess.  It wasn't the first time.  It was just a statement of why.

Stevens has always said he wants to shoot the 3.  It's really fine.  We are practicing is how I see it so when we do get those other pieces we'll be able to do both.

I agree with Stevens that you have to shoot the 3 in todays nba.  It's just the way it is.  We could definately tone it down a bit.
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« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2016, 08:36:43 AM »

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Bradley has been having a great year. He's been all over the place and his defense shows up in crunctime.  Marcus has been a bit more erratic but the same with his defense.  They could definately do more during the course of the game but Bradley is doing a ton and is all over the place.  He's had his lulls and bad moments but overall he's being asked to do a lot.

The complaints on Marcus's physique I don't know.  That's just the way he is built.  He's like jim brown out there. Marshawn Lynch or whoever. He's built like a tank.

jaylen is really the ying to Crowder's yang.  He can get to the hoop and get inside for rebounds.
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« Reply #7 on: December 16, 2016, 08:55:17 AM »

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Hm...Avery is flat out sensational this year; Smart is pretty good except for offense where I'd still hope he can mak the leap to stardom; while Jae...has regressed a bit from his career year last year. I think he would be the piece that gets traded in a large package for an impact player or a very high pick in the 17 draft if the celtics want to pick up an additional prospect in the top 10
Jaylen Brown for All-NBA

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« Reply #8 on: December 16, 2016, 09:27:14 AM »

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Smart should never play the 3, let Jaylen Brown backup Crowder.
We need an athletic big man desperately. Someone to take Amir's place in the starting lineup. Noel?