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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #15 on: December 07, 2016, 03:30:16 PM »

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Here is one.  Both are active.

These are career stats (not per 36 since the mpg are fairly close)

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 47.6 2PT, 37.0 3PT, 77.0 FT - 24.1 mpg

8.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.07 t, 51.4 2PT, 32.9 3PT, 77.9 FT - 21.4 mpg

Player B is Jae Crowder

Player A I'm thinking must be a PF?  Maybe a SF

Probably a journeyman. Ilyasova? Not the defender Jae is though.


EDIT: Yup.  http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilyaser01.html

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #16 on: December 07, 2016, 03:34:26 PM »

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Here is one.  Both are active.

These are career stats (not per 36 since the mpg are fairly close)

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 47.6 2PT, 37.0 3PT, 77.0 FT - 24.1 mpg

8.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.07 t, 51.4 2PT, 32.9 3PT, 77.9 FT - 21.4 mpg

Player B is Jae Crowder

Player A I'm thinking must be a PF?  Maybe a SF

Probably a journeyman. Ilyasova? Not the defender Jae is though.


EDIT: Yup.  http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilyaser01.html

Good call. I was thinking it was someone younger, never even considered him
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #17 on: December 07, 2016, 03:36:58 PM »

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Here is one.  Both are active.

These are career stats (not per 36 since the mpg are fairly close)

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 47.6 2PT, 37.0 3PT, 77.0 FT - 24.1 mpg

8.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.07 t, 51.4 2PT, 32.9 3PT, 77.9 FT - 21.4 mpg

Player B is Jae Crowder

Player A I'm thinking must be a PF?  Maybe a SF

Probably a journeyman. Ilyasova? Not the defender Jae is though.


EDIT: Yup.  http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilyaser01.html

It is pretty pointless to use Jae's career stats because they include 2 seasons where he hardly played and do not represent the player he is now. Conversely it is dumb to use a player's career stats that peaked years ago and has not been the same player statistically in several years.

This was put in another thread somewhere and for these reasons it is really misleading and bad. I would hope we can put this to bed because it is about as textbook manipulation of stats as you can get.

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #18 on: December 07, 2016, 03:41:51 PM »

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I always say just take these as fun exercises and don't worry about whether the players properly equate or whatever. Comparisons are always imperfect, just some are more imperfect than others.

Ilyasova's actually a tick or two above his career #s this year, though. But Philly numbers are like Canadian dollars - they shouldn't be taken at par.

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #19 on: December 07, 2016, 04:07:46 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #20 on: December 07, 2016, 04:12:08 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Any theme to the single season? Connected by age or anything?

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #21 on: December 07, 2016, 04:16:34 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Any theme to the single season? Connected by age or anything?

I'll say that two of the players are active and two are retired.  Three of them are very similar in terms of their role / position and one is an outlier.

The two retired player seasons are from '05-'06 and '06-'07.
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #22 on: December 07, 2016, 04:23:47 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Any theme to the single season? Connected by age or anything?

I'll say that two of the players are active and two are retired.  Three of them are very similar in terms of their role / position and one is an outlier.

The two retired player seasons are from '05-'06 and '06-'07.

Hmm, looks like bigs that can score and shoot, but aren't dominate on the glass or down low.  Maybe Miami Bosh is one, Portland Sheed is another?

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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #23 on: December 07, 2016, 04:28:34 PM »

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I was thinking Sheed too.

Memo Okur? I am guessing Player C.

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #24 on: December 07, 2016, 04:30:34 PM »

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Here is one.  Both are active.

These are career stats (not per 36 since the mpg are fairly close)

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 47.6 2PT, 37.0 3PT, 77.0 FT - 24.1 mpg

8.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.07 t, 51.4 2PT, 32.9 3PT, 77.9 FT - 21.4 mpg

Player B is Jae Crowder

Player A I'm thinking must be a PF?  Maybe a SF

Probably a journeyman. Ilyasova? Not the defender Jae is though.


EDIT: Yup.  http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/ilyaser01.html

It is pretty pointless to use Jae's career stats because they include 2 seasons where he hardly played and do not represent the player he is now. Conversely it is dumb to use a player's career stats that peaked years ago and has not been the same player statistically in several years.

This was put in another thread somewhere and for these reasons it is really misleading and bad. I would hope we can put this to bed because it is about as textbook manipulation of stats as you can get.
They both played very similar minutes per game in their career.  It isn't a comparison of a guy playing 30 minutes vs. a guy playing 25 minutes.  And for the record between the two of them the career low for mpg was in fact 14.7 by Ilyasova in his rookie year.

But since you are crying about it, here are their totals for the year thus far this year.

12.5 p, 6.1 r, 1.5 a, 0.5 s, 0.2 b, 1.2 t, 51.3 2PT, 36.7 3PT, 80.4 FT - 26.1 mpg (Ilyasova)

13.0 p, 4.7 r, 2.5 a, 1.1 s, 0.4 b, 1.2 t, 59.3 2PT, 40.0 3PT, 93.8 FT - 29.6 mpg (Crowder)

Now if we look at Ilyasova just since he has been in Philly (and take out the OKC games) his numbers increase a bit.

13.7 p, 6.2 r, 1.7 a, 0.4 s, 0.2 b, 1.2 t, 50.5 2PT, 38.1 3PT, 80.4 FT - 26.9 mpg


This came up in a prior thread because someone said Saric couldn't earn his minutes when all he had to do was beat out Ilyasova which is different than Brown who had to beat out Crowder.  I posted those numbers to indicate there wasn't much difference between Ersan and Jae at least statistically.  Now Jae is a better defender, but he isn't All NBA type defender either.

I also think this is relevant because I think it shows that Jae is pretty easily replaceable.  He isn't a guy that Boston has to have and he should be among the names being brandied about in trade discussions. 
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #25 on: December 07, 2016, 04:30:47 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Any theme to the single season? Connected by age or anything?

I'll say that two of the players are active and two are retired.  Three of them are very similar in terms of their role / position and one is an outlier.

The two retired player seasons are from '05-'06 and '06-'07.

Hmm, looks like bigs that can score and shoot, but aren't dominate on the glass or down low.  Maybe Miami Bosh is one, Portland Sheed is another?

Good guesses. Guessing maybe the outlier is Marc Gasol this year with his sudden 3-happy ways?


EDIT: Nope, got a quick hunch and I'll admit looked the guy up to be sure.  Player C is Outlier Avery Bradley.

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #26 on: December 07, 2016, 04:32:11 PM »

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Per36, you say, Pho? 

Without looking, I'll bet C is Kelly Olynyk from last year.

. . . or maybe B?  He's one of them, though, surely?
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #27 on: December 07, 2016, 04:36:10 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C:

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Any theme to the single season? Connected by age or anything?

I'll say that two of the players are active and two are retired.  Three of them are very similar in terms of their role / position and one is an outlier.

The two retired player seasons are from '05-'06 and '06-'07.

Hmm, looks like bigs that can score and shoot, but aren't dominate on the glass or down low.  Maybe Miami Bosh is one, Portland Sheed is another?

Good guesses. Guessing maybe the outlier is Marc Gasol this year with his sudden 3-happy ways?


EDIT: Nope, got a quick hunch and I'll admit looked the guy up to be sure.  Player C is Outlier Avery Bradley.

I want to retract my Sheed guess now that I see Pho said  '05-'06 and '06-'07 for the retired players.  I don't think Detroit Sheed scored enough to hit those per 36 point numbers.

Okur is a good guess by Who.
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Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #28 on: December 07, 2016, 04:39:22 PM »

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Here's a fun one.  Per-36 stats only, single season.  Mix of active and retired players.

Player A:

18.4 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.7 assists; 44.2 / 39.4 / 73.1; 4.1 3PA, 3.3 FTA

Player B:

19.0 points, 7.8 rebounds, 2.1 assists; 46.2 / 38.4 / 76.5; 4.5 3PA, 5.2 FTA

Player C (Avery Bradley)

17.8 points, 8.1 rebounds, 2.5 assists; 47.1 / 39.8 / 74.2; 5.2 3PA, 1.5 FTA

Player D:

21.2 points, 8.3 rebounds, 2.0 assists; 47.7 / 36.7 / 78.0; 4.8 3PA, 3.6 FTA

Porzingis for Player D? Should be close.

EDIT: Shawn Marion as one of the retirees? Rebounded a lot in his Phoenix years.

Re: Guess the Players
« Reply #29 on: December 07, 2016, 04:39:25 PM »

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FWF is right - Player C is AB

Who is correct - one of the players is Okur.


Porzingis - No
Olynyk - No
Sheed - No
Gasol - No
Marion - No
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