The Struggles of Saric

[LarBrd33]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

[green_bballers13]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

One response to the bolded: hahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahahaha

[Moranis]

When you're coming off the bench because you have a Crowder, Isaiah, and/or Bradley in front of you that's one thing. However, when you're coming off the bench because you aren't better than Ilyasova that's quite another. The guy is a quintessential journeyman and Saric can't beat him out.

These are the career stats for Crowder and Ilyasova.  I'll let you figure out which one is which

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 24.2 m on 47.6 2PT, 37.1 3PT, 77.1 FT
7.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.7 t, 21.3 m on 51.4 2PT, 32.8 3PT, 77.7 FT

[Eddie20]

too soon, too early, be patient, wait, learn more, give him a chance....ha. how many times do i type these words on this board? 

brown, see above, rinse, repeat.

i think saric will be a good nba player, not a star, but a good player. on philly, his role will be to be a sort of "glue" guy who does a range of different things to help others. a bit akin to olly for the celtics.

let's check back after another year and see how saric is doing.

What hurts him is that he's an old rookie (turning 23 by the end of the year). So his upside is definitely limited. Plus, he's very polished, which is a result of his international experience. So it doesn't appear as though he's going to make many strides skill-wise.

If Saric were able to shoot then I could see him being effective as a stretch 4. However, unlike Olynyk, shooting has always been a struggle. During the Olympics this summer he shot 43% FG, 26.3% 3PT, and 59.3% FT, so there is a lot of statistical evidence to show he's an awful shooter.

you mean aside from the 38% on over 3 attempts a game thus far this year?

That was due to a hot start, but over the last 8 games (he's only played 18) he's shot 31% from 3's. But if you want to compare numbers then I'll raise you an Amir Johnson who's shooting 43% from 3's on the season.

[Eddie20]

When you're coming off the bench because you have a Crowder, Isaiah, and/or Bradley in front of you that's one thing. However, when you're coming off the bench because you aren't better than Ilyasova that's quite another. The guy is a quintessential journeyman and Saric can't beat him out.

These are the career stats for Crowder and Ilyasova.  I'll let you figure out which one is which

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 24.2 m on 47.6 2PT, 37.1 3PT, 77.1 FT
7.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.7 t, 21.3 m on 51.4 2PT, 32.8 3PT, 77.7 FT

Not sure I understand your point. Are you somehow suggesting that Crowder and Ilyasova are NOW similar players because Ilyasova used to get a lot of playing time many moons ago, while Crowder was coming off the bench in Dallas? How does that impact the here and now? One is a journeymen/scrub, the other is one of the best overall SF's in the game on a team friendly deal.

[celticsclay]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

I agree with LB that this thread was probably started with grinding LB's gears in mind. They have a long running feud and it is known LB is high on this guy (not to mention the "historically bad shooting phrase." That being said I do disagree this has anything to do with Brown right now. He is not playing a whole lot right now, but I don't think anyone is devastated by it. Crowder is just a step below being an all star player and we have also played smart some at SF so there just have not been a ton of available minutes at SF for a raw rookie. Since we are winning I don't think anyone really cares about this.

I do think we can stop being so negative about JB because this role was kind of expected and I don't think there is anything surprising or negative about it. That being said I don't really blame LB for responding to flame with flame. It would be cool in general if we could be less reactionary every time a young player has a 5 game stretch good or awful.

Saric's last 5 games have been bad 26% shooting 5.5 points almost as many turnovers as assists.

Before that he had 5 games averaging 12 points with a bit better shooting.

We don't need a post for the 5 good games to say "I told you so" and we don't need a stretch for the 5 bad games to say he sucks.

[celticsclay]

When you're coming off the bench because you have a Crowder, Isaiah, and/or Bradley in front of you that's one thing. However, when you're coming off the bench because you aren't better than Ilyasova that's quite another. The guy is a quintessential journeyman and Saric can't beat him out.

These are the career stats for Crowder and Ilyasova.  I'll let you figure out which one is which

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 24.2 m on 47.6 2PT, 37.1 3PT, 77.1 FT
7.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.7 t, 21.3 m on 51.4 2PT, 32.8 3PT, 77.7 FT

This is pretty silly Moranis. Ilysova had a number of good years in Milwaukee where he looked like he could become an above average starter averaging 13-9 and 13 and 7 with 45% shooting from 3.  Whether it was injuries or some other reason he has not been the same player the last couple of years. He is still solid, but he is also close to 30 and isn't going to get any better.

Jae Crowder's averages are completely dragged down by him playing 10-17 minutes a game his first 2 and a half years in the league while this year and last he has continued to improve.

You also know in a million years no GM in the league would trade Crowder for Ilysova (and Ilasova was just traded for an extremely middling prospect on a team trying to win now).

Trying to compare their career stats is extremely misleading and flat out stupid. Why do that?

[celticsclay]

When you're coming off the bench because you have a Crowder, Isaiah, and/or Bradley in front of you that's one thing. However, when you're coming off the bench because you aren't better than Ilyasova that's quite another. The guy is a quintessential journeyman and Saric can't beat him out.

These are the career stats for Crowder and Ilyasova.  I'll let you figure out which one is which

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 24.2 m on 47.6 2PT, 37.1 3PT, 77.1 FT
7.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.7 t, 21.3 m on 51.4 2PT, 32.8 3PT, 77.7 FT

Not sure I understand your point. Are you somehow suggesting that Crowder and Ilyasova are NOW similar players because Ilyasova used to get a lot of playing time many moons ago, while Crowder was coming off the bench in Dallas? How does that impact the here and now? One is a journeymen/scrub, the other is one of the best overall SF's in the game on a team friendly deal.

Yea I don't really agree with all the antics that have gone along with this on either side. But this is one of the more unrealistic comparisons I have seen on this board.

[Eddie20]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

I agree with LB that this thread was probably started with grinding LB's gears in mind. Th

Not sure why a person, that claims they're a Celtics fan, would be bother by the criticism of a foreign player on another team, on a Celtics blog no less. That would be like me being irritated because someone here would write something negative about Joffrey Lauvergne. Unless of course LB is Croatian and he's simply defending his native brother.

[Donoghus]

Let's knock off the not so subtle borderline personal attacks, shall we?  This crap goes on in way too many threads.

[green_bballers13]

Do you think trolling is something that goes on in way too many threads as well?

I personally do.

[Ilikesports17]

When you're coming off the bench because you have a Crowder, Isaiah, and/or Bradley in front of you that's one thing. However, when you're coming off the bench because you aren't better than Ilyasova that's quite another. The guy is a quintessential journeyman and Saric can't beat him out.

These are the career stats for Crowder and Ilyasova.  I'll let you figure out which one is which

10.7 p, 6.0 r, 1.1 a, 0.7 s, 0.4 b, 1.0 t, 24.2 m on 47.6 2PT, 37.1 3PT, 77.1 FT
7.0 p, 3.4 r, 1.3 a, 1.0 s, 0.3 b, 0.7 t, 21.3 m on 51.4 2PT, 32.8 3PT, 77.7 FT

Not sure I understand your point. Are you somehow suggesting that Crowder and Ilyasova are NOW similar players because Ilyasova used to get a lot of playing time many moons ago, while Crowder was coming off the bench in Dallas? How does that impact the here and now? One is a journeymen/scrub, the other is one of the best overall SF's in the game on a team friendly deal.

Yea I don't really agree with all the antics that have gone along with this on either side. But this is one of the dumber comparisons I have seen on this board.

All those extremely valid points aside, Saric is 22 and has been playing with grown men as a pro for 5 years (I think). Brown is 20, and has been a pro for less than 6 months.

[celticsclay]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

I agree with LB that this thread was probably started with grinding LB's gears in mind. Th

Not sure why a person, that claims they're a Celtics fan, would be bother by the criticism of a foreign player on another team, on a Celtics blog no less. That would be like me being irritated because someone here would write something negative about Joffrey Lauvergne. Unless of course LB is Croatian and he's simply defending his native brother.

Edit: saw mod's comments so I will stay out of it

[Donoghus]

Do you think trolling is something that goes on in way too many threads as well?

I personally do.

If you're upset about it, this isn't the thread to be bringing it up in.  We have a whole forum for that type of stuff.

[GratefulCs]

Why does a thread about any young player on another team always turn into a thread on Smart or Brown?  It's so annoying.

Your answer: LB.

He is desperate to get attention from other guys on a sports blog. He knows what buttons to push, and he continues to push the same buttons. Original? No. Annoying? Yes. Funny? Definitely to him, and maybe yes to others.

get real.  There's a reason why a known troll and philly obsessive started another one of his Philly threads focused on criticizing the 2nd best rookie in the league so far... as opposed to starting a thread about someone like bender or hield.  My response to this nonsense thread is entirely appropriate.  He's lashing out because Jaylen's last 5 games have him on edge.

that's DEFINITELY why