Magic and Celtics trade idea - Gordon/Hezonja

[Tr1boy]

Who the hell are Hezonja and Wilcox ?? You really guys write every thought that crosses your mind. I don't see that as a quality on this forum.

Mario Hezonja was the 5th overall pick in last year's draft.  I can get not knowing who CJ Wilcox is, but you should know who Hezonja is

I was just sarcastic. Of course I know. I'm coming from the same country just as Hez. But if you were watching Hez last season, especially this one, he sucks, man. I don't care about his talent and his overall pick no. I just don't see what can he bring to our team to make us better, when he can't do it in Orlando, which is worse team at the moment.

Its true he needs to step up intensity/consistent effort on the defensive end. Offensively Hezonja is a talent... 1 on 1 , in transition, off screens and pop

Defensively when he tries he is tough and is a good rebounder/shot blocker for a sg

[iadera]

Who the hell are Hezonja and Wilcox ?? You really guys write every thought that crosses your mind. I don't see that as a quality on this forum.

Mario Hezonja was the 5th overall pick in last year's draft.  I can get not knowing who CJ Wilcox is, but you should know who Hezonja is

I was just sarcastic. Of course I know. I'm coming from the same country just as Hez. But if you were watching Hez last season, especially this one, he sucks, man. I don't care about his talent and his overall pick no. I just don't see what can he bring to our team to make us better, when he can't do it in Orlando, which is worse team at the moment.

Its true he needs to step up intensity/consistent effort on the defensive end. Offensively Hezonja is a talent... 1 on 1 , in transition, off screens and pop

Defensively when he tries he is tough and is a good rebounder/shot blocker for a sg

I agree, I know him very well, and honestly I would be thrilled to see him in Bos' jersey one day. But right now, he is a Sixers-level player and big question is would he be a starter even there. At the moment - I doubt. Šarić is showing far more than Hez, but still as a bench player.

[Vermont Green]

Gordon was a perfectly good prospect when he was drafted but his value has diminished significantly since. No way would I trade Jaylen Brown for him right now.  It is amazing that he is only 21 (Gordon that is) so he still has time but so far he has not done anything particularly well at the NBA level except run and jump.  That is the same for Brown so far but the difference is what 137 games to 17 games?

And Hezonja, isn't he a younger, shorter, worse shooting version of Jonas Jerebko?

This seems like a silly debate.  Neither of these guys helps us.

In regards to Gordon's diminished value.  His value has diminished in the same way Marcus Smart's has... which is to say, even though both show a lack of progress in year 3 there's still a lot of time left in this season for them to make a leap.  I haven't given up on either.   Especially no Gordon... he only played half his rookie season and just turned 21 a couple months ago.  While Smart was considered "NBA-Ready", Gordon was widely seen as a project.  There's still time before we get a sense of what Gordon will be long-term.  I still see him as a superior prospect to Jaylen... but we'll see how both develop.

I entirely agree  that the book is not written yet on Gordon but he is in his third year so quite a bit more to go on than Jaylen Brown.   You can say Gordon is a better prospect than Brown all you want, I don't agree.  I would not trade Brown for Gordon.

Now comparing Smart and Gordon is more realistic.  Smart has done more and is currently contributing at a higher level than Gordon after 2+ choppy seasons for both.  Smart has a glaring weakness (shooting if you hadn't noticed) but does everything else at a productive NBA level (defense, passing, rebounding, athleticism, intangibles).  Gordon so far only has athleticism and potential.  I actually can't say for sure his current state of defense, court awareness, that sort of thing but for the things that can be counted statistically, he's got nothing.

Now Smart may top out near where he is now and Gordon may figure it all out and blow right past him, maybe.  I grant you it is possible but I don't see it all that likely at this point.  I think Gordon will keep up with Smart more or less.  Brown is the one who will blow past them both probably (although you never know).

[Moranis]

Brian Hill was on NBA channel on Sirius yesterday and was talking about Hezonja.  He said he just hasn't practiced well this year at all which is why he hasn't been playing.  He said he thought it might have been because of all the international ball Hezonja played this summer and felt he might have just been worn down. 

[TheTruthFot18]

Brian Hill was on NBA channel on Sirius yesterday and was talking about Hezonja.  He said he just hasn't practiced well this year at all which is why he hasn't been playing.  He said he thought it might have been because of all the international ball Hezonja played this summer and felt he might have just been worn down.

geez. How does he expect to get through a full NBA season then?

[Tr1boy]

Brian Hill was on NBA channel on Sirius yesterday and was talking about Hezonja.  He said he just hasn't practiced well this year at all which is why he hasn't been playing.  He said he thought it might have been because of all the international ball Hezonja played this summer and felt he might have just been worn down.

geez. How does he expect to get through a full NBA season then?

Cut back/stop playing international ball

[ederson]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

[Tr1boy]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

Like? Not every nba player participates in international play... And the US team prob mess around in practice.

[CroCorvus]

OK, he played for us in tournament in Italy in June and in Olympics, but I can't say why he would be tired because of that, besides of having free summer to rest his young legs... Main players were Bogdanović, Šarić and Simon, playing heavy minutes and if you would have ask me for them I would understand. Aldo to me Hezonja was misused in our national team, he was mostly coming from bench in a role of a sixt player so for sure he wasn't playing a lot of time... Generally, this comment from Hill is little confusing...

[ederson]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

Like? Not every nba player participates in international play... And the US team prob mess around in practice.

You have got to be Kidding......
The Gasols , Rubio, Bogut, Baines,Delavedova , Bogdanovic;most of the French players , Valanciunas,

too many to count , most of the European players in the NBA have almost every summer international games (odd years Eurobasket , every second even year Olympic games of World cup).
A lot of them are important parts of their teams and play heavy mins unlike Hezonja. If he got tired this summer then maybe he should another carrier. He should take a look at Dirk or Parker and learn a couple of things

[Tr1boy]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

Like? Not every nba player participates in international play... And the US team prob mess around in practice.

You have got to be Kidding......
The Gasols , Rubio, Bogut, Baines,Delavedova , Bogdanovic;most of the French players , Valanciunas,

too many to count , most of the European players in the NBA have almost every summer international games (odd years Eurobasket , every second even year Olympic games of World cup).
A lot of them are important parts of their teams and play heavy mins unlike Hezonja. If he got tired this summer then maybe he should another carrier. He should take a look at Dirk or Parker and learn a couple of things

Your resolution is insane

Does a player have to play int ball in the summer and at the nba level?  Its almost like you are stating  , do everything and be ok... If you are not, maybe something is wrong with you

My answer for him is , if you are affected by int play over the summer just dont participate and focus on regular nba play

There is nothing wrong with not working overtime if it may affect your regular job

[iadera]

Main problem with Hez is that he jumped several steps over in his career so far. He was launched in the top basketball (Barcelona) way too early. He was only 17 at that moment, playing for the B-team  and never actually got real role in the first team. He showed his brilliant skills regularly, but lacked from consistent minutes and serious role in team. Suddenly he found himself at the 5th overall pick in NBA. This young guy will just have to learn soooo much that he hasn't, couldn't or didn't want to so far.
My opinion is that he's just not ready for NBA at the moment. Back to Barca or any other Euroleague club for 1-2 years would help him develope with some real minutes. Otherwise, his talent will be wasted in NBA.
His teammate Šarić from Sixers is a very good example. He was also pushed for years to go to Draft, positioned himself first as a very good European player in Cibonam, especially in Anadolu Efes where he played some huge minutes and had a very important role. Result: We are watching very solid NBA player, important rotation part, for now. Hi is tacticly, mentaly and phisicaly much more ready for NBA than Hez.

[ederson]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

Like? Not every nba player participates in international play... And the US team prob mess around in practice.

You have got to be Kidding......
The Gasols , Rubio, Bogut, Baines,Delavedova , Bogdanovic;most of the French players , Valanciunas,

too many to count , most of the European players in the NBA have almost every summer international games (odd years Eurobasket , every second even year Olympic games of World cup).
A lot of them are important parts of their teams and play heavy mins unlike Hezonja. If he got tired this summer then maybe he should another carrier. He should take a look at Dirk or Parker and learn a couple of things

Your resolution is insane

Does a player have to play int ball in the summer and at the nba level?  Its almost like you are stating  , do everything and be ok... If you are not, maybe something is wrong with you

My answer for him is , if you are affected by int play over the summer just dont participate and focus on regular nba play

There is nothing wrong with not working overtime if it may affect your regular job

READ FIRST
I AM NOT SAYING HE SHOULD PLAY INTERNATIONAL BBALL .I AM SAYING MANY OTHERS DO PLAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FILLING THEIR ROLES IN THE NBA UNLESS RUBIO IS SOMEKIND OF ATHLETIC FREAK AND HE CAM HANDLE BOTH

[ederson]

double post sorry

[Moranis]

Or maybe he can get in shape to handle NBA and international games like so many players do??

Like? Not every nba player participates in international play... And the US team prob mess around in practice.

You have got to be Kidding......
The Gasols , Rubio, Bogut, Baines,Delavedova , Bogdanovic;most of the French players , Valanciunas,

too many to count , most of the European players in the NBA have almost every summer international games (odd years Eurobasket , every second even year Olympic games of World cup).
A lot of them are important parts of their teams and play heavy mins unlike Hezonja. If he got tired this summer then maybe he should another carrier. He should take a look at Dirk or Parker and learn a couple of things

Your resolution is insane

Does a player have to play int ball in the summer and at the nba level?  Its almost like you are stating  , do everything and be ok... If you are not, maybe something is wrong with you

My answer for him is , if you are affected by int play over the summer just dont participate and focus on regular nba play

There is nothing wrong with not working overtime if it may affect your regular job

READ FIRST
I AM NOT SAYING HE SHOULD PLAY INTERNATIONAL BBALL .I AM SAYING MANY OTHERS DO PLAY AND THEY DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEMS FILLING THEIR ROLES IN THE NBA UNLESS RUBIO IS SOMEKIND OF ATHLETIC FREAK AND HE CAM HANDLE BOTH

and many of those guys are veterans and many of those guys get hurt or have a decrease in play.  I read a study a few years back that showed the season after the Olympics something like 80% of the players that played missed more games, played less minutes, and saw an overall decrease in their stats from the prior season.