2016-2017 Gordon Hayward Thread (We Did It Guys! Fireworks!!!)

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More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...

But George Hill was his buddy right...

Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!

Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.

I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?

San Diego is a short drive from LA.

not on a holiday weekend it isn't lol. 

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/ramonashelburne/status/881952293809119237?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet

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For those reading tea leaves on Gordon Hayward, word is he told Jazz he wanted Rubio & would love to play w/ him

Word from who?  Hayward?  The Jazz?

Mike

Yeah, there were also numerous reports that he strongly wanted Hill to stay, so which one do you believe? Ramona is a reliable reporter, but this sounds like someone feeding her wrong info with all of the previous reports about Hill. I don't really like that Rubio fit there over Hill at all. He provides less shooting and scoring on a team that really needs more of both.

Besides, even if he would like him more than Hill, surely he realizes that Rubio puts him no better than 5th in the West, which might be generous with the improvements of Minny and Denver, let alone NO and Portland.

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Just post the news that Hayward is resigning in Utah for $$$ and five years of 1st round playoff exits so I can commence with being angry, bitter, disappointed, resigned, and then excited for deck-shuffling moves and the development of Brown and Tatum.

I am kinda with you, I have my nutcup ready.

[PhoSita]

I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.


With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.

The issue was a lack of scoring threats.

A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.

Utah could win 55 games next year and still not have HCA or get out of the 1st round.  The West is going to be a nightmare for the rest of Hayward's prime.

[Surferdad]

Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakers

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657

Signing him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.

I am not sure about that.  Hill is a good complimentary player.  Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck?  not so sure.

plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench?  I thought he was already penciled in as a starter?  better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.

Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.

Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.

So your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct.  Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.

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I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.


With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.

The issue was a lack of scoring threats.

A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.

I don't really get the Hayward - Rubio interest.  RR isn't a good shooter, he isn't as big of a threat to score as Hill is, so I would think that would be a net loss for Utah.

[Roy H.]

Haywards friend George hill discussing 1 year deal with lakers

https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/881926123248070657

Signing him would effectively knock the lakers pick out of the top 5.

I am not sure about that.  Hill is a good complimentary player.  Is he enough to get the Lakers out of the muck?  not so sure.

plus, does this mean that Ball comes off the bench?  I thought he was already penciled in as a starter?  better to let him develop slowly, but I didn't think the lakers were smart enough to do that.

Hill + Lopez is enough when you have teams like Sacramento, Brooklyn, Atlanta, Orlando, Chicago and Phoenix out there.

Which is why Ainge is stupid for trading away the number one and at the least not asking for more. This offseason is going about as bad as it could have gone. I hope Markelle Fultz destroys the Celtics today and I'm not joking.

So your ideal scenario is Ainge is proven wrong, Tatum is mediocre, the whole plan falls apart, but you are proven correct.  Thanks a lot, some Celtics fan you are.

Yeah, I think Danny was wrong on Fultz, but I'd like nothing more than for Fultz to be a bust, Tatum to be a superstar, and have the Lakers pick be the centerpiece in an Anthony Davis trade.

[jpotter33]

I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.


With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.

The issue was a lack of scoring threats.

A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.

This. Rubio is a significant downgrade from Hill on that team due to their particular needs. Hayward would just receive that much more attention from the defense since they can now play that much farther off of Rubio.

Honestly, it was just a money-saving move to get a decent pg for cheaper than Hill would've cost. Hopefully Gordon recognizes that.

[RJ87]

Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.

As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.

[jpotter33]

Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.

As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.

Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.

[PhoSita]

Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.

As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.

Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.

(And because it's Utah and they know what their fans like... let's be honest)

[Phantom255x]

This feels a lot like the Horford scenario and threads of last year haha.

EVERYTHING pointing towards him staying with Boston and Washington missing out, and at the end he chose Boston even though Woj pretty much said he was gone like 5 minutes before.

And he agreed to come here on July 3...

[Roy H.]

Of course Hayward approved the Rubio trade. You think the Jazz would make such a significant move without running it by their franchise player who's about to be a free agent? They want to make Gordon happy and probably knew George Hill was pricing himself out of their market.

As far as Hill, I think his agent messed him up. Turning down that supposed 3-year, $60m extension offer from Utah looks like a mistake now.

Oh sure, Rubio is better than nothing, but Rubio is certainly not better than Hill, which is who Hayward preferred all along according to numerous sources. They just chose the cheaper Rubio because it also allowed them to keep Ingles.

(And because it's Utah and they know what their fans like... let's be honest)

Spaniards?

Let's stay away from that type of talk, please.

[saltlover]

I don't see how Rubio is an upgrade on Hill, honestly.


With Hayward, Johnson, and Hood, that team didn't lack playmakers.

The issue was a lack of scoring threats.

A Rubio / Gobert pick and roll involves no shooting and is therefore subject to aggressive defenses that have learned to give zero respect to such pick and roll pairings.

I don't really get the Hayward - Rubio interest.  RR isn't a good shooter, he isn't as big of a threat to score as Hill is, so I would think that would be a net loss for Utah.

Hayward has never really played with a pass-first point guard in his career.  It might be something that attracts him from a basketball perspective.  He's been as much of a point guard as anyone for much of his career, and he might like a slightly different role.

I'm not saying I know what Hayward's wishes are, but it's not impossible to see how Rubio could be someone that Hayward would like to play alongside.

[CelticsElite]

More worried now about the Ramona Shelburne post, she is on the rise and very legit...

But George Hill was his buddy right...

Is the Riley thing real? That's stalking for me!

Riley is meeting with Dion Waiters in San Diego. Doubt it's got anything to do with Hayward.

I thought waiters was in LA. Why did he go to san Diego? Source that waiters is in SD?

San Diego is a short drive from LA.

2 and a half hour drive. Why would waiters randomly go to a worse city than LA?