Myth about Smart's ending of shot clock shooting

[tankcity!]

I'm reposting Koz's post about Smart because there were people last night blaming the end of shot clock shots for Smarts shooting %. I mean at this point, we're just talking out of our butt to blindly love Smart.

Koz's Points:

Except facts say this is not even remotely accurate.

This year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst within the first 10 seconds of the clock -- and coincidentally this is when he's been taking most of his shots.

http://www.82games.com/1617/16BOS4.HTM

Last year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst in the middle of the shot clock (11-20 sec), and has been above (his own) average early and late in the clock.

http://www.82games.com/1516/15BOS3.HTM

It's worth noting that in both cases Smart has taken fewer than 10% of his shots after the 20th second of the shot clock. That's not what the issue with his "shooting percentage" is.

[tankcity!]

Omg this is insane to me. First people here were complaining about Crowder?!?!? The dude shot 6-11 and was plus 13 for the game. It's funny how Bradley was plus 20, and Smart was plus 13, but yeah Smart is amazing and the energy right!!! I mean first, we played against a freaking scrub team. This is like a college basketball game for these players. Second, the Lbrrd bashing is uncalled for. Everything he is saying is pretty much true. I think it is pretty clear there is a lot of bias talk going around here.

The funniest thing was the end of shot clock talk for Smart. I mean KOZ HAS ALREADY POSTED STATS TO DISAPPROVE THIS MYTH.

I mean some people here just come up with stuff out of their butt. If you really want me to prove this, I can look for Koz's post.

My god, people now want Smart to start over Bradley. It's like I'm living in bizarro world. Smart has 8 assists tonight, and only tonight. It's not like he is averaging it. Also, he handles the ball a lot this year, and is averaging 33 minutes a game. So there isn't an excuse for him not to average it, but no. Let's bench Bradley for Smart?

Like what is going on? My head is about to explode because I really can't figure this out rationally. This is like Rajon Rondo all over again, except Rondo was a better player haha.

Me and Lbrrd are on an island I guess at this point. It really stinks to be on an island with Lbrrd.

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

[hwangjini_1]

ijust read the posts above and am not sure the point of this thread.

would some please clear that up? thank you.

[Eddie20]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Kindly name the 9 guys ahead of him? I also really hope one of those names isn't Aaron Gordon.

A lot of things that Smart does won't show up on the box score, but they impact winning so heavily. Things like boxing out (even against bigs), rotations defensively, contesting shots, fighting through and not getting stuck on screens, etc. Then there are things like his steal off Harris' pass and assist to Thomas on the other end last night. On the box score that'll simply be notched as 1 steal and 1 assist. However, the Nets had numbers on a break (Thomas went down going for the layup) and the pass was intended to a wide open shooter for a corner 3. Not only did Smart steal the pass, but then fired an outlet to Thomas for the score. That's a 5 point swing that resulted from Smart's exceptional defensive instincts.

The little things might not be flashy, but that's why Stevens says this in describing Smart, "Those are the things that make Marcus special," Stevens told reporters. "Sometimes those go in a box score, sometimes they don't. But he does them every game. That's why I don't get too caught up in the box score stuff with him. He impacts winning and tonight was a good example of that."

So I guess there are some members here that are smarter than Stevens and just waiting for their shot to coach at the NBA level.

[The One]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Should I care about his draft class?

I care about his impact on his team first.

Then I care about his impact on the opponent.

For me...that sums it up for each and every player that has ever laced them up.

[tankcity!]

I made this post because people were blaming Smarts shooting % on end of shot clock shots.

[green_bballers13]

I'm reposting Koz's post about Smart because there were people last night blaming the end of shot clock shots for Smarts shooting %. I mean at this point, we're just talking out of our butt to blindly love Smart.

Koz's Points:

Except facts say this is not even remotely accurate.

This year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst within the first 10 seconds of the clock -- and coincidentally this is when he's been taking most of his shots.

http://www.82games.com/1617/16BOS4.HTM

Last year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst in the middle of the shot clock (11-20 sec), and has been above (his own) average early and late in the clock.

http://www.82games.com/1516/15BOS3.HTM

It's worth noting that in both cases Smart has taken fewer than 10% of his shots after the 20th second of the shot clock. That's not what the issue with his "shooting percentage" is.

Sounds like there might be a little too much analysis on this subject. Marcus isn't a good shooter right now. It's hard to make the argument that he is.

Marcus can't shoot and hit a house. He can't shoot and hit a mouse. Marcus Smart can't shoot and hit a box, and he can't shoot and hit a fox. Not a house. Not a mouse. Not a box. Or a fox.

What he can do is many other things. Focusing on his negatives and ignoring the positives doesn't seem like good analysis.

[tankcity!]

I'm reposting Koz's post about Smart because there were people last night blaming the end of shot clock shots for Smarts shooting %. I mean at this point, we're just talking out of our butt to blindly love Smart.

Koz's Points:

Except facts say this is not even remotely accurate.

This year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst within the first 10 seconds of the clock -- and coincidentally this is when he's been taking most of his shots.

http://www.82games.com/1617/16BOS4.HTM

Last year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst in the middle of the shot clock (11-20 sec), and has been above (his own) average early and late in the clock.

http://www.82games.com/1516/15BOS3.HTM

It's worth noting that in both cases Smart has taken fewer than 10% of his shots after the 20th second of the shot clock. That's not what the issue with his "shooting percentage" is.

Sounds like there might be a little too much analysis on this subject. Marcus isn't a good shooter right now. It's hard to make the argument that he is.

Marcus can't shoot and hit a house. He can't shoot and hit a mouse. Marcus Smart can't shoot and hit a box, and he can't shoot and hit a fox. Not a house. Not a mouse. Not a box. Or a fox.

What he can do is many other things. Focusing on his negatives and ignoring the positives doesn't seem like good analysis.

Thank you for being honest. I really appreciate it. I have no problem with you liking the positives of Smart.

[tazzmaniac]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Kindly name the 9 guys ahead of him? I also really hope one of those names isn't Aaron Gordon.

A lot of things that Smart does won't show up on the box score, but they impact winning so heavily. Things like boxing out (even against bigs), rotations defensively, contesting shots, fighting through and not getting stuck on screens, etc. Then there are things like his steal off Harris' pass and assist to Thomas on the other end last night. On the box score that'll simply be notched as 1 steal and 1 assist. However, the Nets had numbers on a break (Thomas went down going for the layup) and the pass was intended to a wide open shooter for a corner 3. Not only did Smart steal the pass, but then fired an outlet to Thomas for the score. That's a 5 point swing that resulted from Smart's exceptional defensive instincts.

The little things might not be flashy, but that's why Stevens says this in describing Smart, "Those are the things that make Marcus special," Stevens told reporters. "Sometimes those go in a box score, sometimes they don't. But he does them every game. That's why I don't get too caught up in the box score stuff with him. He impacts winning and tonight was a good example of that."

So I guess there are some members here that are smarter than Stevens and just waiting for their shot to coach at the NBA level.

What you've just described is a great role player.  Not a star.  Not someone who is untradeable.   Stevens does speak highly of Smart but he still has Smart coming off the bench.  Besides his poor shooting, the other main issue with Smart is his injuries.  Missing 15 to 20 games a season makes him a lot less valuable. 

[tankcity!]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Kindly name the 9 guys ahead of him? I also really hope one of those names isn't Aaron Gordon.

A lot of things that Smart does won't show up on the box score, but they impact winning so heavily. Things like boxing out (even against bigs), rotations defensively, contesting shots, fighting through and not getting stuck on screens, etc. Then there are things like his steal off Harris' pass and assist to Thomas on the other end last night. On the box score that'll simply be notched as 1 steal and 1 assist. However, the Nets had numbers on a break (Thomas went down going for the layup) and the pass was intended to a wide open shooter for a corner 3. Not only did Smart steal the pass, but then fired an outlet to Thomas for the score. That's a 5 point swing that resulted from Smart's exceptional defensive instincts.

The little things might not be flashy, but that's why Stevens says this in describing Smart, "Those are the things that make Marcus special," Stevens told reporters. "Sometimes those go in a box score, sometimes they don't. But he does them every game. That's why I don't get too caught up in the box score stuff with him. He impacts winning and tonight was a good example of that."

So I guess there are some members here that are smarter than Stevens and just waiting for their shot to coach at the NBA level.

Eddie. You should know by now that I'm not bias. I never said Smart shouldn't get the minutes he is. He's a great role player. Rozier is not there yet on defense. But that doesn't mean he can't be. If he turns out to be good on defense, don't you think he will steal Smart's minutes away. I know we like to say the Celtics are deep, but they are not deep. Brad makes our players look a lot better than they are.

He does make an impact on winning. But people were saying he should start over Bradley. Do you agree with that? That was my number one issue.

I really wish Smart can get good on offense because then he would be an all star. We need him to be and if he isn't, we really really need those Brooklyn picks. I hope you understand what I mean. Role players can only get you so far. And picking him number 6 is unfortunate.

I personally prefer Gordon. I think if Stevens was his coach, he would be a lot better. Unfortunately he is playing for a really bad franchise, but just watching him play, I really like him a s a player. I also like Saric more. Same with Lavine and Randle. I am really sorry you don't feel the way I do. Only time will tell.

Thank you for bothering Lbrrd. I've always been entertained by your posts.

[Eddie20]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Kindly name the 9 guys ahead of him? I also really hope one of those names isn't Aaron Gordon.

A lot of things that Smart does won't show up on the box score, but they impact winning so heavily. Things like boxing out (even against bigs), rotations defensively, contesting shots, fighting through and not getting stuck on screens, etc. Then there are things like his steal off Harris' pass and assist to Thomas on the other end last night. On the box score that'll simply be notched as 1 steal and 1 assist. However, the Nets had numbers on a break (Thomas went down going for the layup) and the pass was intended to a wide open shooter for a corner 3. Not only did Smart steal the pass, but then fired an outlet to Thomas for the score. That's a 5 point swing that resulted from Smart's exceptional defensive instincts.

The little things might not be flashy, but that's why Stevens says this in describing Smart, "Those are the things that make Marcus special," Stevens told reporters. "Sometimes those go in a box score, sometimes they don't. But he does them every game. That's why I don't get too caught up in the box score stuff with him. He impacts winning and tonight was a good example of that."

So I guess there are some members here that are smarter than Stevens and just waiting for their shot to coach at the NBA level.

Eddie. You should know by now that I'm not bias. I never said Smart shouldn't get the minutes he is. He's a great role player. Rozier is not there yet on defense. But that doesn't mean he can't be. If he turns out to be good on defense, don't you think he will steal Smart's minutes away. I know we like to say the Celtics are deep, but they are not deep. Brad makes our players look a lot better than they are.

He does make an impact on winning. But people were saying he should start over Bradley. Do you agree with that? That was my number one issue.

I really wish Smart can get good on offense because then he would be an all star. We need him to be and if he isn't, we really really need those Brooklyn picks. I hope you understand what I mean. Role players can only get you so far. And picking him number 6 is unfortunate.

I personally prefer Gordon. I think if Stevens was his coach, he would be a lot better. Unfortunately he is playing for a really bad franchise, but just watching him play, I really like him a s a player. I also like Saric more. Same with Lavine and Randle. I am really sorry you don't feel the way I do. Only time will tell.

Thank you for bothering Lbrrd. I've always been entertained by your posts.

TP

[csfansince60s]

I will point out Smart is a great role player, probably like the 10th best player in his draft class.

Kindly name the 9 guys ahead of him? I also really hope one of those names isn't Aaron Gordon.

A lot of things that Smart does won't show up on the box score, but they impact winning so heavily. Things like boxing out (even against bigs), rotations defensively, contesting shots, fighting through and not getting stuck on screens, etc. Then there are things like his steal off Harris' pass and assist to Thomas on the other end last night. On the box score that'll simply be notched as 1 steal and 1 assist. However, the Nets had numbers on a break (Thomas went down going for the layup) and the pass was intended to a wide open shooter for a corner 3. Not only did Smart steal the pass, but then fired an outlet to Thomas for the score. That's a 5 point swing that resulted from Smart's exceptional defensive instincts.

The little things might not be flashy, but that's why Stevens says this in describing Smart, "Those are the things that make Marcus special," Stevens told reporters. "Sometimes those go in a box score, sometimes they don't. But he does them every game. That's why I don't get too caught up in the box score stuff with him. He impacts winning and tonight was a good example of that."

So I guess there are some members here that are smarter than Stevens and just waiting for their shot to coach at the NBA level.

TP. Completely agree with this.

Last night, I think they flashed his statline as 4-8-8-2. Not flashy, but extremely impressive to me.

Two nights ago, he flies through the air into the trees with desperate, reckless abandon, giving himself up COMPLETELY for the team. he keeps the ball alive for Horford who lays it in and we win.

This is the type of guy I'd want to go to war with (on his side).....WARRIOR

[rollie mass]

 posted for years the effects of injuries on shooting % and i also posted on clock running down and end of quarter shots, as i have seen him take what seemed several a game-that didn't include being on floor with kelly ,jerebko who SEEM to play hot potato when clock or defense is tight
i appreciate the sharing of this statistical info
i was posting on 3 point % are there stats for 3pt shot and clock usage-

[ThePaintedArea]

This year's Marcus Smart has been shooting the worst within the first 10 seconds of the clock -- and coincidentally this is when he's been taking most of his shots.

http://www.82games.com/1617/16BOS4.HTM

Your main point is well taken.  But notice that 82games divides the second 10 seconds of the shot clock into two, so Smart is actually taking about the same % of his shots in the second 10 as the first.  The difference (48% vs 45%) probably only reflects the fact that fewer shots are taken league-wide as the shot clock advances.

The eFG% is still markedly different: .554 for the second ten seconds (that's good!).  What's the explanation?

Notice that in the first 10, the % of his shots that are assisted is much lower. Does that mean that he's shooting more off the dribble in the first part of the clock, and more off the catch in the second 10? Or just that he's less effective (and more likely to take the shot himself) as the primary ball-handler, more effective off the ball?

Very interesting what you point out here - I love the stat that gets you deeper into what's really going on. (TP to ya).

[CroCorvus]

I really don't understand all the "love" Marcus Smart is getting around here. Really don't. Besides his bad shooting habbits which is below league's average, can someone please name some other bball skill that he's average or bad at on the court? I have never watched him play. Thank you.