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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #15 on: November 24, 2016, 12:38:37 AM »

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Are we sure he's better than Rozier

I think Smart is a better basketball player than Rozier, as of right now.

I would not lump my opinions in with yours to make the collective "we". You seem to idolize the 76ers. I just happen to like and root for the Celtics.
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #16 on: November 24, 2016, 01:57:40 AM »

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smaht is a stud!

who cares about how many points he puts up, dude is clutch when it matters and contributes in other ways.


Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #17 on: November 24, 2016, 02:30:14 AM »

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Are we sure he's better than Rozier

I think Smart is a better basketball player than Rozier, as of right now.

I would not lump my opinions in with yours to make the collective "we". You seem to idolize the 76ers. I just happen to like and root for the Celtics.
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #18 on: November 24, 2016, 08:27:04 AM »

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smaht is a stud!

who cares about how many points he puts up, dude is clutch when it matters and contributes in other ways.

Those who are obsessed with stats.  But some guys are better than the numbers. Marcus is one of those guys.

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #19 on: November 24, 2016, 09:41:18 AM »

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He is better than Rozier. TR has the edge in quickness and shooting but that's probably it.
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #20 on: November 24, 2016, 11:43:01 AM »

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I love seeing the leap in playmaking that Smart has taken. His court vision/passing last night was almost Nash like at times.

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #21 on: November 24, 2016, 12:00:01 PM »

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Are we sure he's better than Rozier

Seems like he's a better point guard than Rozier.  I think it's up for debate if he's a better guard off the ball.
good point and a tp. thus far to my uneducated eyes, rozier seems to be a player who needs to have the ball in his hand to be most effective on offense. not so smart.

i like rozier and hope he develops his offensive game to where he can play better off the ball. heck, i have come to believe that under CBS almost anything is possible.  ;D
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #22 on: November 24, 2016, 12:26:56 PM »

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Can I be honest?

Don't like Rozier.

Yes he has potential, but he needs the ball to be effective in order to do anything... He's so misguided defensively, and he doesn't seem to fit within the teams offensive schemes at times...

Rozier has been so used to being the 1A or 1B on offense back with Louisville, that I think he's realizing his role and becoming accustomed to it.

I think DJax is everything Rozier should end up being... And best of all, we have him signed on for 4 years?
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2016, 12:31:59 PM »

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Here are some of Smart's stats. I'm trying to be as fair as possible here so please be objective. These stats don't fair well for Smart and I just want to get a better understanding of what I need to find to resolve this debate. Because we can't just use our eyes as an argument.

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=5&pos=0&team=0&qual=1

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=14&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2016, 12:32:15 PM »

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Can I be honest?

Don't like Rozier.

Yes he has potential, but he needs the ball to be effective in order to do anything... He's so misguided defensively, and he doesn't seem to fit within the teams offensive schemes at times...

Rozier has been so used to being the 1A or 1B on offense back with Louisville, that I think he's realizing his role and becoming accustomed to it.

I think DJax is everything Rozier should end up being... And best of all, we have him signed on for 4 years?


If we are being honest... I don't really understand the bold parts. Are you saying that he is getting better because he is adjusting to not being a primary option?

Also, Jackson has played around 15 minutes of NBA basketball total, it seems weird to say that he is where Rozier should end up? Like weird and wrong.

Also, funny that we are talking about this and Chris Forsberg just uploaded this article:

http://www.espn.com/blog/boston/celtics/post/_/id/4724506/celtics-marcus-smart-proving-invaluable-despite-poor-shooting
« Last Edit: November 24, 2016, 12:43:56 PM by trickybilly »
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Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2016, 09:42:27 AM »

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Are we sure he's better than Rozier

They are different players, can complement each other, or sub in/out for each other.

But when it gets real...you want Smart on the floor.

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2016, 09:46:23 AM »

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Here are some of Smart's stats. I'm trying to be as fair as possible here so please be objective. These stats don't fair well for Smart and I just want to get a better understanding of what I need to find to resolve this debate. Because we can't just use our eyes as an argument.

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=5&pos=0&team=0&qual=1

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=14&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0

Smart is about where you would expect him to be using advanced stats, which Avery Bradley also ranked very low in for some time.

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2016, 09:47:15 AM »

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But when it gets real...you want Smart on the floor.

I used to agree with this but Rozier has played nice in the clutch this year.   I think you want both of them on the floor.

Re: Marcus Smart
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2016, 10:11:38 AM »

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Here are some of Smart's stats. I'm trying to be as fair as possible here so please be objective. These stats don't fair well for Smart and I just want to get a better understanding of what I need to find to resolve this debate. Because we can't just use our eyes as an argument.

https://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/DRPM

http://www.espn.com/nba/statistics/rpm/_/sort/RPM

http://www.sportingcharts.com/nba/stats/individual-player-plus-minus-statistics/2015/

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=5&pos=0&team=0&qual=1

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?season=2015&category=ADVANCED&group=1&sort=14&time=0&pos=0&team=0&qual=1&sortOrder=0&opp=0
thanks for the homework and good research TC. my point, however, is to rephrase your point by extending it..."because we just cant use our stats as an argument."

the counter side has been arguing that smart's ability to affect a game positively for the celtics extends beyond stats. that is a fair point and i have seen their eye-ball-based evidence  and support for their position. they really do have a point. but not the full story.

yet, stats dont tell the full story either. (and if you are into stats, you will know that they are never intended to do so.)

isnt this your exact argument, but from another perspective? you raise the very very good point that eyeballs alone are not able to reveal the full story. i agree.

now i argue that the same can be said about stats in this case.

to be honest, i love what i see in smart in some ways. and in others i roll my eyes and wonder, yet again, why in the hell smart decided to chuck up a 26 foot 3 pointer with 14 seconds left on the clock....and do so without being set or in position.

my take away after seeing bradley develop far far far far far beyond what he was as a rookie is to be patient. (ha! how many times do i type THAT word on cb.  ;D )

your stats reveal a short sample size that is a concern solely because we fret and stew and worry and run in circles that they MIGHT be a predictor of the future. but in the end we dont know right now how smart will turn out as a shooter.

going forward under CBS, i would expect smart to chuck up better considered shots, to have an offense that lets him shoot when he is set in the proper position, and play to his abilities.

as one stat-example of this possible development, his passing for assists has nudged up this season. a combo not only of his ability, but the position in which CBS has placed him.

i doubt, given my eyes and the stats, that smart will develop into paul pierce as a scorer - lots of moves, lots of ways to score, killer shooter. but i do believe that he has the potential, within a system that WILL allow him to play to his strengths on offense, to become a credible, reliable scorer and not the sink hole the stats indicate he HAS been so far.

stats are the past, not the future. unless we take other factors in to account, stats are deceptive and misleading. they dont tell us the future, but they can let us think more carefully about it.

so, thanks for the post TC. good work by you and a tp.
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