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New Lottery Rule suggestion
« on: November 21, 2016, 09:41:48 AM »

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No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick a year after they pick #1. This Philly tanking or incompetence saga is destroying the league. How can the fans in Philly even stand this absurdity.

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« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2016, 09:53:02 AM »

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I like it.  In that case, the team gets bumped to #2.  Seems reasonable and very easy to implement.

However, I don't think it fully addresses tanking.

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« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2016, 10:09:05 AM »

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I totally agree and have post a similar idea in the past.

Teams should not be allowed in the top 3 in consecutive years. I would make the rule work so that the team with the #1 pick is not top 5 eligible the following year and top 3 except the year after that. I would also carry that over to making the team draft #2 and #3 ineligible for a top 3 pick the next season.

This should give teams incentive to improve from season to season and not bank on a tank style rebuild. It will also help the middle of the pack lottery teams get a chance to grab elite talent and vault into playoff contention.     
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« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2016, 10:12:29 AM »

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Unless it's Brooklyn this year and next year  ;)

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« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2016, 10:12:39 AM »

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I totally agree and have post a similar idea in the past.

Teams should not be allowed in the top 3 in consecutive years. I would make the rule work so that the team with the #1 pick is not top 5 eligible the following year and top 3 except the year after that. I would also carry that over to making the team draft #2 and #3 ineligible for a top 3 pick the next season.

This should give teams incentive to improve from season to season and not bank on a tank style rebuild. It will also help the middle of the pack lottery teams get a chance to grab elite talent and vault into playoff contention.   
unless it is the celtics of course. then i am all for it.  ;D
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« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2016, 10:17:48 AM »

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No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick a year after they pick #1. This Philly tanking or incompetence saga is destroying the league. How can the fans in Philly even stand this absurdity.
There is no evidence the Sixers are destroying the league and it is on you for starting another Sixers thread.   The Sixers have been without two starters, Simmons and Bayless, as well as Noel.  Embiid and Okafor are still on minutes restrictions.  Even so they are playing better and already have their 3rd win.  Last year, they didn't get their 3rd win until December 30th.  Embiid's play so far and Simmons' potential should make the Sixer's fans quite happy. 

The worst team in the league only has a 25% chance at the #1 pick.  Being the worst team two years in a row, only gives a 6.25% chance of getting both number 1 picks and you've got an even chance of not even getting a single #1 pick.  We've got the two unprotected Nets picks.  Should we not have a chance at the top pick two years in a row? 





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« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2016, 10:19:01 AM »

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i would also add in - scrap the one and done rule

I like something like must be 3 years removed from high school, maybe require at least US high school athletes to go to college (instead of going pro out of seas for 3 years)

I think this is good for the NBA, athletes and NCAA, NCAA gets more revenue with these high recruits, the kids gets more time to develop and you get more "known" products coming into the NBA, I think it's also less likely to draft a bust early on

Now back to what every one is saying, I am also on board with this, makes the team who just drafted #1 to not be in contention for the #1 pick again

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« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2016, 10:21:34 AM »

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No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick a year after they pick #1. This Philly tanking or incompetence saga is destroying the league. How can the fans in Philly even stand this absurdity.
There is no evidence the Sixers are destroying the league and it is on you for starting another Sixers thread.   The Sixers have been without two starters, Simmons and Bayless, as well as Noel.  Embiid and Okafor are still on minutes restrictions.  Even so they are playing better and already have their 3rd win.  Last year, they didn't get their 3rd win until December 30th.  Embiid's play so far and Simmons' potential should make the Sixer's fans quite happy. 

The worst team in the league only has a 25% chance at the #1 pick.  Being the worst team two years in a row, only gives a 6.25% chance of getting both number 1 picks and you've got an even chance of not even getting a single #1 pick.  We've got the two unprotected Nets picks.  Should we not have a chance at the top pick two years in a row?

Sixers already have their 3rd win after drafting in the top 3 for the last three seasons? Yeah why not give them a parade.

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« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2016, 10:24:26 AM »

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No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick a year after they pick #1. This Philly tanking or incompetence saga is destroying the league. How can the fans in Philly even stand this absurdity.

I agree with this

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« Reply #9 on: November 21, 2016, 10:35:05 AM »

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I totally agree and have post a similar idea in the past.

Teams should not be allowed in the top 3 in consecutive years. I would make the rule work so that the team with the #1 pick is not top 5 eligible the following year and top 3 except the year after that. I would also carry that over to making the team draft #2 and #3 ineligible for a top 3 pick the next season.

This should give teams incentive to improve from season to season and not bank on a tank style rebuild. It will also help the middle of the pack lottery teams get a chance to grab elite talent and vault into playoff contention.   
So by your plan, we wouldn't be eligible for a top 3 pick this year because we got Jaylen at #3 last year.   

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« Reply #10 on: November 21, 2016, 10:47:14 AM »

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I dont think that they are tanking this season, I feel that they are genuinely bad this season. They are even ravished by injuries. Okafor and Embiid are on minutes restriction and Simmons, Bayless, and Noel are out.

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« Reply #11 on: November 21, 2016, 10:49:42 AM »

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I totally agree and have post a similar idea in the past.

Teams should not be allowed in the top 3 in consecutive years. I would make the rule work so that the team with the #1 pick is not top 5 eligible the following year and top 3 except the year after that. I would also carry that over to making the team draft #2 and #3 ineligible for a top 3 pick the next season.

This should give teams incentive to improve from season to season and not bank on a tank style rebuild. It will also help the middle of the pack lottery teams get a chance to grab elite talent and vault into playoff contention.   
So by your plan, we wouldn't be eligible for a top 3 pick this year because we got Jaylen at #3 last year.

Well, the Nets wouldn't be eligible, we would still be eligible if we missed the playoffs, won the lottery, and didn't switch picks
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« Reply #12 on: November 21, 2016, 10:56:06 AM »

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i would also add in - scrap the one and done rule

I like something like must be 3 years removed from high school, maybe require at least US high school athletes to go to college (instead of going pro out of seas for 3 years)

I think this is good for the NBA, athletes and NCAA, NCAA gets more revenue with these high recruits, the kids gets more time to develop play for free and you get more "known" products coming into the NBA, I think it's also less likely to draft a bust early on

Now back to what every one is saying, I am also on board with this, makes the team who just drafted #1 to not be in contention for the #1 pick again

FTFY

It's one thing to require more time out of highschool (which I disagree with but can definitely understand), but combining that with (somehow) barring them from playing overseas is ridiculous.  The only real benefit to that combo of rules would be that the NCAA made more money off of them without them seeing a dime.  If you want to have better players going into the draft, make the DLeague more viable for kids straight out of highschool, and increase international scouting to make overseas a more viable choice, too

(Seriously, though, how would you bar them from playing overseas? Making a rule that you can't be drafted into/play in the NBA if you went to highschool in the US but played anywhere other than the NCAA? That's just stupid)
I'm bitter.

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« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2016, 11:57:22 AM »

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The C's situation with Brooklyn (and the joy it provided all of us as C's fan) has made me think it would be an interesting idea if the whole lottery system was revamped so no team owns the right to their own pick.

It was definitely a great situation for us as C's fan last year (and again this year, and possibly next as well) to be able to root for our team to make the playoffs while also being able to dream of landing a franchise player at the top of the lottery.

Then on the flip side, we have Brooklyn and the "why would they tank" attitude.  Now think if this were the case for all teams.  Why would any team tank if they didn't control their own pick?

My idea is after the real draft at the end of June, but before free agency starts, the NBA holds another draft where teams pick another team's pick to control for the upcoming season (or seasons) and you can't pick your own team.  I imagine the 2016 draft pick draft to go something like this:

#1 Philly picks Brooklyn
#2 Lakers pick Philadelphia
#3 Brooklyn picks Phoenix
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#10 Milwaukee picks New Orleans
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#14 Chicago picks Washington
#15 Houston picks Dallas
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#29 San Antonio picks Golden State
#30 Golden State picks San Antonio

Imagine how great that could be for Chicago or Houston or even Milwaukee fans.  Actually we don't have to imagine because it's exactly how we feel with the Brooklyn picks.  At the same time, Washington and Dallas don't have have the temptation to sit out Wall or Dirk for the rest of the year after they dislocate the pinky finger on their non-shooting hand in mid-February.

Even better if they hold this "draft pick draft" once every 2 or 3 years instead of every year.  So you're not just tying yourself to a teams pick for the next season but the next X seasons. 

And sure you can say teams would tank for position in this new "draft pick draft", but after the first time this draft happens, you'd be tanking this season to latch your hopes on another teams record the next season, before you even know who they draft, sign, or trade for?

Just spit balling here, and I'm sure there's tons of holes, but it's got me intrigued the more I think about it.  Now instead of rewarding teams for incompetence, you're rewarding them for their long term projection analysis for other teams (although it's still probably going to boil down to luck).  It would be especially interesting right before a big free agent year.  Like in 2010, Cleveland had the best record in the league, but does a team drafting at the top think LeBron is going to split?  It would give us even more to talk about and speculate on before free agency!
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Re: New Lottery Rule suggestion
« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2016, 01:48:05 PM »

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No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick a year after they pick #1. This Philly tanking or incompetence saga is destroying the league. How can the fans in Philly even stand this absurdity.

I would change that slightly. No team should be allowed to be in contention for the #1 pick the year after they finished last in the league (i.e., would be the most likely to get the #1 pick). This change would protect teams who got lucky in the lottery the year before (e.g., 13th or 14th worst record) and didn't get the #1 pick by tanking.

Mike