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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #15 on: November 15, 2016, 10:48:50 AM »

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I'd normally do this in a heartbeat. We need a better presence down low and Lopez provides that. He's pretty dangerous out to about 15 feet or so and I think he and Horford would work fine together. I've said in the past that I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal made like this (or even involving the Brooklyn 2018 pick).

I don't think a deal like this puts us over the top so there's something to be said for keeping your powder dry until the right one comes along.

But there is something that really concerns me about him this year. He's being rested on back-to-back nights. He's only playing about 25 mpg. His rebound numbers are really down this year (small sample size but still...). These are all signs that he's not healthy and perhaps his injury issues are really becoming chronic. He's shying away from contact. He's not playing much. If that's the case then I'd run, not walk, away from this deal.

So in my view it all depends on the doctors.
He has played back to back games.  He played the 8th and the 9th of this month.  He is 6th on the team in mpg and was 5th before Kilpatrick got a boost after Lin went down.  The Nets are just playing a lot of people a lot of minutes.  The Nets are 4-1 in the games where Lopez has played more than 25 minutes so there is a real correlation to Lopez's minutes and the Nets success (and for the record, Lopez has generally just played better in those games which is why his minutes are up in them). 
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #16 on: November 15, 2016, 10:49:13 AM »

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The only downside of this trade is we lose flexibility this offseason. That and also, I feel like the modern NBA playstyle has sort of passed by Lopez's skill set. He can score but I assume it's hard to build a winner with a slow footed, poor rebounding big as one of your main cogs.

And the guy has glass feet. No thanks.

Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #17 on: November 15, 2016, 10:53:06 AM »

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The only downside of this trade is we lose flexibility this offseason. That and also, I feel like the modern NBA playstyle has sort of passed by Lopez's skill set. He can score but I assume it's hard to build a winner with a slow footed, poor rebounding big as one of your main cogs.

And the guy has glass feet. No thanks.
Lopez has played 72 and 73 games the last two seasons with solid minutes.  Hard to really project another injury at this point.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #18 on: November 15, 2016, 11:23:39 AM »

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Yes, I would, but I'd need to know more about Lopez' health, and I'm not certain how well he fits in Stevens' "system"

Unless we think Memphis is going to be really bad, this is essentially giving up a mid round first + Rozier + filler for Brooke Lopez.

Worst case scenario is that his health declines, and we have dead weight on the books for 1.5 seasons. But, the best case scenario is a pretty good one--he is the best player in the deal, and if he remains healthy he helps us win games. Plain and simple.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #19 on: November 15, 2016, 12:35:57 PM »

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Nope.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #20 on: November 15, 2016, 01:02:47 PM »

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I'd normally do this in a heartbeat. We need a better presence down low and Lopez provides that. He's pretty dangerous out to about 15 feet or so and I think he and Horford would work fine together. I've said in the past that I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal made like this (or even involving the Brooklyn 2018 pick).

I don't think a deal like this puts us over the top so there's something to be said for keeping your powder dry until the right one comes along.

But there is something that really concerns me about him this year. He's being rested on back-to-back nights. He's only playing about 25 mpg. His rebound numbers are really down this year (small sample size but still...). These are all signs that he's not healthy and perhaps his injury issues are really becoming chronic. He's shying away from contact. He's not playing much. If that's the case then I'd run, not walk, away from this deal.

So in my view it all depends on the doctors.
He has played back to back games.  He played the 8th and the 9th of this month.  He is 6th on the team in mpg and was 5th before Kilpatrick got a boost after Lin went down.  The Nets are just playing a lot of people a lot of minutes.  The Nets are 4-1 in the games where Lopez has played more than 25 minutes so there is a real correlation to Lopez's minutes and the Nets success (and for the record, Lopez has generally just played better in those games which is why his minutes are up in them).

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/resting-brook-lopez-during-back-to-backs-a-decision-by-committee-1.12617836

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Lopez said, “I see it as a ramping-up process. I feel my minutes will increase more, and hopefully we’ll start feeling more comfortable and maybe throwing me into the back-to-backs here or there, just picking them out. Obviously, it will be a committee decision, but being that I’m playing, I think I have some input.”

If he were truly healthy there wouldn't need to be a "ramping up process" or a "committee decision".

He's played between 21 and 28 minutes per game this season. Those are Tim-Duncan-Retirement-Tour numbers and it's quite obvious that he's on a pitch count and the fact that he played 24 minutes in a loss to NY and 25 in a win over Indy doesn't mean anything. Again, there's no real reason to be that strict about it unless they're afraid he'll break. He's 7th on the team in minutes played. While they are giving a lot of guys a lot of minutes, when your best player is 7th in minutes played that suggests something about his true health. The above quotes seem to confirm that he's not truly healthy.

I can't say that he's not healthy but there's a lot of smoke to suggest it. That's why I'd want the Docs to go over him with a fine tooth comb before acquiring him.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #21 on: November 15, 2016, 01:22:08 PM »

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I'd normally do this in a heartbeat. We need a better presence down low and Lopez provides that. He's pretty dangerous out to about 15 feet or so and I think he and Horford would work fine together. I've said in the past that I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal made like this (or even involving the Brooklyn 2018 pick).

I don't think a deal like this puts us over the top so there's something to be said for keeping your powder dry until the right one comes along.

But there is something that really concerns me about him this year. He's being rested on back-to-back nights. He's only playing about 25 mpg. His rebound numbers are really down this year (small sample size but still...). These are all signs that he's not healthy and perhaps his injury issues are really becoming chronic. He's shying away from contact. He's not playing much. If that's the case then I'd run, not walk, away from this deal.

So in my view it all depends on the doctors.
He has played back to back games.  He played the 8th and the 9th of this month.  He is 6th on the team in mpg and was 5th before Kilpatrick got a boost after Lin went down.  The Nets are just playing a lot of people a lot of minutes.  The Nets are 4-1 in the games where Lopez has played more than 25 minutes so there is a real correlation to Lopez's minutes and the Nets success (and for the record, Lopez has generally just played better in those games which is why his minutes are up in them).

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/resting-brook-lopez-during-back-to-backs-a-decision-by-committee-1.12617836

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Lopez said, “I see it as a ramping-up process. I feel my minutes will increase more, and hopefully we’ll start feeling more comfortable and maybe throwing me into the back-to-backs here or there, just picking them out. Obviously, it will be a committee decision, but being that I’m playing, I think I have some input.”

If he were truly healthy there wouldn't need to be a "ramping up process" or a "committee decision".

He's played between 21 and 28 minutes per game this season. Those are Tim-Duncan-Retirement-Tour numbers and it's quite obvious that he's on a pitch count and the fact that he played 24 minutes in a loss to NY and 25 in a win over Indy doesn't mean anything. Again, there's no real reason to be that strict about it unless they're afraid he'll break. He's 7th on the team in minutes played. While they are giving a lot of guys a lot of minutes, when your best player is 7th in minutes played that suggests something about his true health. The above quotes seem to confirm that he's not truly healthy.

I can't say that he's not healthy but there's a lot of smoke to suggest it. That's why I'd want the Docs to go over him with a fine tooth comb before acquiring him.
I've read plenty of quotes where Lopez and the team seem to imply they just want to keep him fresher, both in games and over the course of the season.  He is taking on a tremendous offensive load and they would rather have play a few less minutes each game and be more effective then play a bit more and be less efficient.  Thus far, his 2PT% is by far the highest of his career so it might be working.  And frankly that seems to be the approach for every player on the team as Bogdanovic is leading the team with just 28 mpg.  I mean they have 14 players that have played in at least 10 minutes a game (obviously not all have played in every game) and Scola at 15.9 is the lowest of the 7 players that have played in all 10 and next lowest is at 23.5.  The Nets are just constantly shuffling players in and out of the lineup.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #22 on: November 15, 2016, 02:37:31 PM »

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Lopez and Horford might be the worst defensive rebounding frontcourt in the league.


I would much rather try to flip Zeller or Amir plus secondary assets for Faried.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #23 on: November 15, 2016, 03:14:16 PM »

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Lopez and Horford might be the worst defensive rebounding frontcourt in the league.


I would much rather try to flip Zeller or Amir plus secondary assets for Faried.
why not just acquire both?
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #24 on: November 15, 2016, 07:23:19 PM »

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Lopez and Horford might be the worst defensive rebounding frontcourt in the league.


I would much rather try to flip Zeller or Amir plus secondary assets for Faried.
why not just acquire both?

And have a big rotation of Horford, Lopez, Olynyk, and Faried?

The issue I see there is that all four guys probably ought to be getting at least 24 minutes per game, and that would pretty much eliminate cap space next summer.

Even with all four of those guys, I'm not sure the Celts are so much better that it becomes worth the opportunity cost.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #25 on: November 15, 2016, 08:01:54 PM »

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Not a fan of Lopez or his salary.




You have to admit though it would add five games to our win total, and subtract 5 from theirs.
But you still aren't beating Cavs and you tie up cap space.


 So what?

So if you want any prayer of beating the Cavs, you have to use cap space to sign a better player than Brook Lopez.
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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #26 on: November 15, 2016, 08:49:30 PM »

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the problem with guys like Lopez is that they don't do much without the ball in their hands. It's why I'm so lukewarm about Okafor and Monroe.

Even on a great team he'd be taking shots away from other stars, while contributing little on the defensive end, or on the boards.

I just don't see how he fits in if we're really trying to win a championship.

Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #27 on: November 15, 2016, 08:53:59 PM »

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I'd normally do this in a heartbeat. We need a better presence down low and Lopez provides that. He's pretty dangerous out to about 15 feet or so and I think he and Horford would work fine together. I've said in the past that I wouldn't be surprised to see a deal made like this (or even involving the Brooklyn 2018 pick).

I don't think a deal like this puts us over the top so there's something to be said for keeping your powder dry until the right one comes along.

But there is something that really concerns me about him this year. He's being rested on back-to-back nights. He's only playing about 25 mpg. His rebound numbers are really down this year (small sample size but still...). These are all signs that he's not healthy and perhaps his injury issues are really becoming chronic. He's shying away from contact. He's not playing much. If that's the case then I'd run, not walk, away from this deal.

So in my view it all depends on the doctors.
He has played back to back games.  He played the 8th and the 9th of this month.  He is 6th on the team in mpg and was 5th before Kilpatrick got a boost after Lin went down.  The Nets are just playing a lot of people a lot of minutes.  The Nets are 4-1 in the games where Lopez has played more than 25 minutes so there is a real correlation to Lopez's minutes and the Nets success (and for the record, Lopez has generally just played better in those games which is why his minutes are up in them).

http://www.newsday.com/sports/basketball/nets/resting-brook-lopez-during-back-to-backs-a-decision-by-committee-1.12617836

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Lopez said, “I see it as a ramping-up process. I feel my minutes will increase more, and hopefully we’ll start feeling more comfortable and maybe throwing me into the back-to-backs here or there, just picking them out. Obviously, it will be a committee decision, but being that I’m playing, I think I have some input.”

If he were truly healthy there wouldn't need to be a "ramping up process" or a "committee decision".

He's played between 21 and 28 minutes per game this season. Those are Tim-Duncan-Retirement-Tour numbers and it's quite obvious that he's on a pitch count and the fact that he played 24 minutes in a loss to NY and 25 in a win over Indy doesn't mean anything. Again, there's no real reason to be that strict about it unless they're afraid he'll break. He's 7th on the team in minutes played. While they are giving a lot of guys a lot of minutes, when your best player is 7th in minutes played that suggests something about his true health. The above quotes seem to confirm that he's not truly healthy.

I can't say that he's not healthy but there's a lot of smoke to suggest it. That's why I'd want the Docs to go over him with a fine tooth comb before acquiring him.

Great stuff, TP

Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #28 on: November 15, 2016, 09:57:48 PM »

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 I'm not giving up James Young under any circumstances.

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Re: Poll: Would you make this trade for Brook Lopez
« Reply #29 on: November 15, 2016, 10:20:29 PM »

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 I'm not giving up James Young under any circumstances.

lol I never thought I'd hear/see a single soul come out with these words!






 OK. OK. I admit it. I said that in good humor.



 Wow that's poll is closer than I thought though.