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Celtics miss Turner....and vice versa
« on: November 14, 2016, 11:22:16 AM »

Offline mainevent

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Sometimes the grass isn't always greener.  Maybe taking the hometown discount wouldn't have been too bad after all?

http://www.thescore.com/nba/news/1152269-transition-to-trail-blazers-not-a-smooth-one-for-evan-turner

The Portland Trail Blazers have yet to see any return on their $70-million investment in forward Evan Turner, whose early-season struggles are becoming more concerning by the game.

His numbers are down nearly across the board from his one-and-done season with the Boston Celtics. In his first 10 appearances in his new home, Turner is shooting just 38.7 percent from the field for six points in 23.6 minutes off the bench, along with 4.4 rebounds and 2.4 assists. His plus-minus rating of minus-110 is also 35 points behind the second-lowest rating in the league (Brandon Knight, minus-75).

Turner appears to be less and less engaged in the offense, with the backcourt of Damian Lillard (33 usage rate) and C.J. McCollum (27.2 usage rate) having the rock in their hands more often than not. As a result, the 28-year-old point forward isn't quite sure how he's going to add any value when his strongest skills are already accounted for in full.

"What can you possibly do?" Turner asked following his team's narrow 122-120 overtime win over the Sacramento Kings on Friday, according to CSN Northwest's Jason Quick. "When you get three shots and play 27 minutes … that's not a knock, because we have the best guards in the league, but I mean, what can I possibly do besides be accountable to defense, take care of the ball, rebound, and play the floor? Where I just came from, I had the ball in my hands tons of times to make plays."

Turner finished the night with just two points, four boards, and two dimes on four shot attempts in 22 minutes, while the Lillard-McCollum tandem took 43 shots combined.

"Obviously, everybody is paying attention offensively, and I mean, I think I'm playing the best I possibly can for the situation,'" Turner added. "It's not even 'I'm only getting three-or-four shots' … it is what it is. We've been winning, and that's pretty much it. I think I'm helping rebounding, defending, and I think I've gotten better taking care of the ball."

Head coach Terry Stotts is more optimistic about Turner's play, as he doesn't feel 10 games is nearly enough to judge whether or not a new player is fitting in on the hardwood. Sure, his offensive decline is very much apparent, but to Stotts, Turner's value on the defensive end in guarding multiple positions and being one of the few bright spots on a roster ranked 27th in the league in that department should be commended.

"I think everybody is kind of targeting Evan and I don't think that is necessarily very fair," Stotts said. "The game against (Memphis) he didn't take a shot and played very well. He's playing good defense, he's adapting … it's a process. He's a smart basketball player, has high basketball IQ and he is only going to get better."

Portland is hovering around in the middle of the pack in the highly-competitive Western Conference with a 6-4 record, and as long as the team continues to win, it should help deflect some of the attention off of Turner.

"What can you knock if you are winning?" Turner said. "These dudes are making the right plays, the right reads, and you fit in where you fit in. The (4-year, $70-million) contract is going to draw attention, but even if I didn't have a big contract I'm an easy target, so that doesn't keep me up. As long as we are winning, it's not about me."
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Re: Celtics miss Turner....and vice versa
« Reply #1 on: November 14, 2016, 11:24:39 AM »

Offline manl_lui

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we miss Turner but no way we hand him 70 mil. Honestly I thought it was a lose lose situation

We lose another capable player off the bench who can score rebound and assist.
Portland has yet to see a ROI on Turner

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« Reply #2 on: November 14, 2016, 11:33:00 AM »

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we miss Turner but no way we hand him 70 mil. Honestly I thought it was a lose lose situation

We lose another capable player off the bench who can score rebound and assist.
Portland has yet to see a ROI on Turner
Celtics lose , Portland lose. Turner - WIN.

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« Reply #3 on: November 14, 2016, 11:37:57 AM »

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I don't miss him. I liked the player but the team is getting good play out of the bench with Smart, Brown, KO and Rozier. We even had a James Young showing. Once Crowder and Hordeford are back a few games this team should roll.

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« Reply #4 on: November 14, 2016, 11:39:14 AM »

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I was an ET fan and defender from the second he got here to the moment he left.

That being said, I'm glad the Blazers are paying him $70 mil and not us.

Good luck ET, and I hope that you find happiness in the Great Northwest.

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« Reply #5 on: November 14, 2016, 11:41:04 AM »

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All credit to Brad Stevens system

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 be a step down. I am pure 100 percent Celtic. I think if you slashed my wrists, my
 blood would’ve been green.  -  Bill "Greatest of All Time" Russell

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« Reply #6 on: November 14, 2016, 11:50:35 AM »

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I wanted him back but realistically what hometown discount would have worked? Reasonably speaking he could have gotten Zeller's money as well as JJs but then we'd be very very thin in the front court so I don't know what would've worked.

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2016, 11:58:19 AM »

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he did what he had to, took the money. but yeah i don't think anyone's surprised to see its not working out.
 too bad for him, he was great for us while he was here.

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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2016, 11:59:05 AM »

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I miss ET a lot and I think the C's, do too.  But, no way should Danny have paid him $70M.

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« Reply #9 on: November 14, 2016, 12:09:55 PM »

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Across sports, this is one of those things that few players seem to understand.  If you have been a high promise, but average performer all your career, and then you find a coach and team where you are highly successful, STAY THERE.  It almost never works out on the court/field.  Look at all the guys that the Pats have not resigned or just traded away when a player decides they are more important than the system.  Have any of those guys achieved individual success away from the team?  And I'm always surprised that GMs on other teams continue to make this mistake and trade for or sign these guys and overpay for them.

Yes, Turner got a bigger contact from Portland than he could have gotten in Boston, but he also might have ended his career if he doesn't live up to that contract there.  If he had resigned for less in Boston, where he knew he fit the system and team, he might have earned less in this contract, but probably would maintain his value, barring injury, for his next contract as well.

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« Reply #10 on: November 14, 2016, 12:12:26 PM »

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I miss ET a lot and I think the C's, do too.  But, no way should Danny have paid him $70M.

Totally agree, no way is he worth $70 mil, but when the cap ballooned this off season, teams went wild throwing money around and he benefited. I don't think he cared about the situation he was going in to at the time because all he cared about was the money.  I'm sure he'll be Ok every time he checks his account balance however! Brads system is designed to bring out the best in individuals which in turn benefits the team as a whole. ET benefited while he was here. He will not find the same freedom hence success on any other competitive team.
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« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2016, 12:18:49 PM »

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I don't miss him and I don't think the C's do either.  He would not be able to address the team's biggest current issues any better than hat they are doing now:  Rebounding, rim protection, perimeter defense.

I like ET but the entire time he was here he was looking for his own shot first.

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« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2016, 12:26:09 PM »

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He needs the ball in his hands to be effective.

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« Reply #13 on: November 14, 2016, 12:28:56 PM »

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He needs the ball in his hands to be effective.
and CBS as his coach evidently.
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« Reply #14 on: November 14, 2016, 12:39:24 PM »

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He was nowhere near that contract & I'm just glad we have a real organization who knows what they're actually doing.

We can and will do better in the next free agent market or by trade. Smart move by Ainge