Which Young Player Are The Cs Most Likely To Trade?

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Just playing around in the trade machine -- say for WCS and Omri Casspi -- and struggling to find combos I see as likely deal offerings for Danny Ainge. Here's what I mean:

Most likely to be traded: I see this list as Johnson, Jerebko and Zeller. But none of these players is of any meaningful value, but rather contract filler.

Least likely to be traded: I see this list as Smart, Brown, Bradley, Rozier, and Olynyk. I have a hard time seeing the Cs give them up, even in a deal for better players than the SAC fellas above (say, Noel), short of a true blockbuster.

I also can't really see the Cs trading Thomas or Horford. Pretty illogical.

That leaves:

Mickey, Jackson, Green: not very valuable

Young: starting to show some ability to go with that talent. Cs have spent a lot of time on him, and yet he doesn't have much value anyway.

Lastly.....

Jae Crowder: of course the Cs love Crowder. But I have to wonder when push comes to shove if he might be the most despensible of this group. He's certainly gained the most value of any veteran in the past year plus. He's very solid if undynamic player -- a pretty classic 3 and D type -- on an excellent contract. And he's a model citizen... a valuable element to a team with less locker room integrity than the Cs. And he's a touch fragile -- has missed a fair number of games on hustle injuries. 

In other words, he's probably slightly overrated / overvalued. Some team may overvalue his overall package and intangibles more than they really translate to impact on the court.

I'm not saying the Cs are looking to trade Crowder. I'm simply pointing out that it's difficult to imagine virtually any player of value being traded from this team. And yet it's far from a finished product.

Maybe the Cs will sit tight this season and wait for the summer of 2017. But if they don't, I'm beginning to feel that Crowder may be the player of value the Cs would most likely part with, especially if a swing player comes back.

What do others think?

[tazzmaniac]

Crowder is on a very good contract.  There is no reason to trade him right now unless it is required as part of a star trade.  Otherwise Crowder becomes tradable when Brown is ready to start.   

[jambr380]

Funny, Crowder is pretty much my least likely to be traded based on his contract, leadership, and versatility. I am all for Jaylen Brown becoming a star and Smart is filling in admirably at the SF position, but Crowder embodies everything the Cs currently are. In three years, guys like KO, Smart, Bradley, IT, even Rozier will be making much more than he is. We will still need to have affordable contracts.

If Crowder is one of the main pieces sent out for a bonafide star (e.g., Crowder and the BKN '17 for Cousins or George), then sure; otherwise, I am happy with him as a fixture in our rotation and a leader of our young players.

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Funny, Crowder is pretty much my least likely to be traded based on his contract, leadership, and versatility. I am all for Jaylen Brown becoming a star and Smart is filling in admirably at the SF position, but Crowder embodies everything the Cs currently are. In three years, guys like KO, Smart, Bradley, IT, even Rozier will be making much more than he is. We will still need to have affordable contracts.

If Crowder is one of the main pieces sent out for a bonafide star (e.g., Crowder and the BKN '17 for Cousins or George), then sure; otherwise, I am happy with him as a fixture in our rotation and a leader of our young players.

But this is what I mean. Probably overvaluing the guy a bit. He's excellent, but limited.

Are you saying you'd trade Smart or Brown before him? I don't think Ainge would.

[More Banners]

Agree that the other teams' trade targets are going to be players we like too.

 But a trade remakes a roster. And one must give to get. Teams want players. Picks too, but they need players to play unless they're going full tank. And even then, they need to give fans some hope.

Horrors isn't going anywhere. IT would be hard to trade, but Ainge wouldn't hesitate. I was wondering the other day if IT will be on the next title team. I just can't see it. He is more a regular season volume scorer than anything. He was an Allstar because we overachieved and he was the best player. But it would have to be the deal that brings back the legit perrenial allstar to let him go.

The other tough one to let go is Jalen.   A trade of a future star for a cure to one is quite possible.

Guys like Zeller, Amir, and Jerebko-  role players might get swapped around to meet needs or improve the bottom of the rotation. And yes, Crowder is in fact a 3 and D role player. A good one, Posey-like.  But those guys can be moved , no doubt.

[jambr380]

Funny, Crowder is pretty much my least likely to be traded based on his contract, leadership, and versatility. I am all for Jaylen Brown becoming a star and Smart is filling in admirably at the SF position, but Crowder embodies everything the Cs currently are. In three years, guys like KO, Smart, Bradley, IT, even Rozier will be making much more than he is. We will still need to have affordable contracts.

If Crowder is one of the main pieces sent out for a bonafide star (e.g., Crowder and the BKN '17 for Cousins or George), then sure; otherwise, I am happy with him as a fixture in our rotation and a leader of our young players.

But this is what I mean. Probably overvaluing the guy a bit. He's excellent, but limited.

Are you saying you'd trade Smart or Brown before him? I don't think Ainge would.

Smart probably has similar value to Crowder, as well as similar qualities, so yeah, I do think that Ainge would trade Smart over Crowder if it came down to it. Knowing that Smart will be making at least Evan Turner money in two years, while Crowder is still sitting on $7M/yr probably solidifies this.

Brown is different, though. He is only 10 games into his NBA career and has at least shown that there is a good amount of potential. I believe he is more valuable than Crowder due to this and his draft slot. Guys like Brown almost never get traded since there is too much for both GMs to lose since nobody really knows how good or bad he will be.

[bopna]

James Young.

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James Young.

Can't get anything of value for him, in all likelihood

[LarBrd33]

Do you mean specifically in a casspi trade?  Cuz someone of his level probably gets moved for a pick and filler.   If you are asking which young player in general is most likely to be traded, multiple publications still list jaylen brown as one of the 10 most likely trade candidates in the whole league.  This based on the idea that Boston will swing for a star at some point this season and Jaylen will more than likely be included in any trade package for hypothetical star.

[nickagneta]

I think if the Celtics make a trade, any trade not just for Casspi and/or WCS, the value going out is going to be in expiring contracts and drafts picks. I just don't see any of our young players(three years or less time), having enough value to bring in anything but an older, back end of the rotation vet.

Now that doesn't mean youth won't be sent out but they just will be filler.

I think any of the following could be a part of a trade for Casspi and/or WCS: Young, Rozuer, or Yabuselle.

[footey]

Do you mean specifically in a casspi trade?  Cuz someone of his level probably gets moved for a pick and filler.   If you are asking which young player in general is most likely to be traded, multiple publications still list jaylen brown as one of the 10 most likely trade candidates in the whole league.  This based on the idea that Boston will swing for a star at some point this season and Jaylen will more than likely be included in any trade package for hypothetical star.

"Multiple publications" are usually wrong.

[LarBrd33]

Do you mean specifically in a casspi trade?  Cuz someone of his level probably gets moved for a pick and filler.   If you are asking which young player in general is most likely to be traded, multiple publications still list jaylen brown as one of the 10 most likely trade candidates in the whole league.  This based on the idea that Boston will swing for a star at some point this season and Jaylen will more than likely be included in any trade package for hypothetical star.

"Multiple publications" are usually wrong.

of course they are usually wrong. Nobody really knows who will be traded, but guys like nerlens Noel and Jaylen brown are fair guesses.  Can't blame the multiple publications for making logical guesses.

[aingeforthree]

Brown. Huge upside and coupled with a pick, he nets you a low post stud to pair with Horford. Just who that stud is has yet to be determined.

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Do you mean specifically in a casspi trade?  Cuz someone of his level probably gets moved for a pick and filler.   If you are asking which young player in general is most likely to be traded, multiple publications still list jaylen brown as one of the 10 most likely trade candidates in the whole league.  This based on the idea that Boston will swing for a star at some point this season and Jaylen will more than likely be included in any trade package for hypothetical star.

I'm talking about hypothetical for a "star" or really any high level player.

I disagree with the poster who said he thinks Ainge would trade Smart before Crowder. I don't think that's true.

Also, can you share some examples of where this Brown speculation has been published? Thanks.

[Moranis]

Gotta start looking at duplication especially on the bench, so the most logical trade candidates are Rozier, Smart, and Brown.