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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2016, 02:21:33 PM »

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I get the logic of many Smart critics.... the past determines the future.

I just disagree with this. I believe in change. People can improve or get worse. Smart's future isn't determined b/c he has sucked at shooting in his first 142 games. He might get worse, but I think he will improve. After watching his shot, I don't see anything that is broken. I think he will spend more time working on his craft, esp. as it comes time for a second contract. If he doesn't improve his shooting, he will be much less expensive (which isn't bad for the Celtics).

Knowing that none of us can predict the future, I believe that one's take on Smart is almost an indicator of whether you are a Celtics optimist or pessimist.
I still think Smart can develop into a star.  Not that worried about his flaws yet.  He still has time.
If you take AB's growth and put it with Smart you will see what he can become. His work ethic is great. If Jason Kidd can learn to shoot. I don't see Smart not getting there. His stroke is way better than Kid at his age.
I really dont see him becoming a star.

I see him as hopefully progressing into a Mike Conley-Chuancey Billups-Ron Artest type player who is as good and valuable as it gets without being what most would call a star.

Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2016, 03:08:06 PM »

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I get the logic of many Smart critics.... the past determines the future.

I just disagree with this. I believe in change. People can improve or get worse. Smart's future isn't determined b/c he has sucked at shooting in his first 142 games. He might get worse, but I think he will improve. After watching his shot, I don't see anything that is broken. I think he will spend more time working on his craft, esp. as it comes time for a second contract. If he doesn't improve his shooting, he will be much less expensive (which isn't bad for the Celtics).

Knowing that none of us can predict the future, I believe that one's take on Smart is almost an indicator of whether you are a Celtics optimist or pessimist.
I still think Smart can develop into a star.  Not that worried about his flaws yet.  He still has time.
If you take AB's growth and put it with Smart you will see what he can become. His work ethic is great. If Jason Kidd can learn to shoot. I don't see Smart not getting there. His stroke is way better than Kid at his age.
I really dont see him becoming a star.

I see him as hopefully progressing into a Mike Conley-Chuancey Billups-Ron Artest type player who is as good and valuable as it gets without being what most would call a star.

I don't know about everyone else, but at this point that'd be a dream come true for me.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2016, 03:11:07 PM »

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While Chauncey might not go down next to Lebron and MJ, he was a really good NBA player that helped his team win a championship.

If Marcus helps the C's win one ring, he will validate the #6 pick, regardless of his shooting abilities.
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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2016, 03:14:24 PM »

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I get the logic of many Smart critics.... the past determines the future.

I just disagree with this. I believe in change. People can improve or get worse. Smart's future isn't determined b/c he has sucked at shooting in his first 142 games. He might get worse, but I think he will improve. After watching his shot, I don't see anything that is broken. I think he will spend more time working on his craft, esp. as it comes time for a second contract. If he doesn't improve his shooting, he will be much less expensive (which isn't bad for the Celtics).

Knowing that none of us can predict the future, I believe that one's take on Smart is almost an indicator of whether you are a Celtics optimist or pessimist.
I still think Smart can develop into a star.  Not that worried about his flaws yet.  He still has time.
If you take AB's growth and put it with Smart you will see what he can become. His work ethic is great. If Jason Kidd can learn to shoot. I don't see Smart not getting there. His stroke is way better than Kid at his age.
I really dont see him becoming a star.

I see him as hopefully progressing into a Mike Conley-Chuancey Billups-Ron Artest type player who is as good and valuable as it gets without being what most would call a star.

I don't know about everyone else, but at this point that'd be a dream come true for me.
his shooting would have to come a long way.

Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2016, 03:14:53 PM »

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Randle averages 1 point more per game and is an average defender at best.  The most impressive thing that Randle does is average 3.8 assists a game though, but he's all offense and you think he'd be averaging more points if he was really so beastly, especially on that particular team.

Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #80 on: November 30, 2016, 03:20:56 PM »

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Randle averages 1 point more per game and is an average defender at best.  The most impressive thing that Randle does is average 3.8 assists a game though, but he's all offense and you think he'd be averaging more points if he was really so beastly, especially on that particular team.
hes also averaging 8 rebounds and shooting 53% from the field.

Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #81 on: November 30, 2016, 03:45:02 PM »

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Are stats on bad teams that relevant? Were you sold on Tony Allen's little stretch years ago with the Celtics when Pierce was hurt, and they had very little talent? I don't think it was reasonable to say that TA was a superior offensive player b/c of that small sample size.

I'm not as much of a Randle hater as many, but I think he's Antoine 2.0. I liked Antoine (minus the 3's). I just didn't want to go down that road again with another young player.

Smart is a challenge for conventional analysis. His offensive #s stink. He continues to make winning basketball players, and appears to be our defensive enforcer. I love his hustle and defensive chops. If he could hit a couple more shots per game, we have a real player on our hands.
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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #82 on: November 30, 2016, 03:46:32 PM »

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Randle averages 1 point more per game and is an average defender at best.  The most impressive thing that Randle does is average 3.8 assists a game though, but he's all offense and you think he'd be averaging more points if he was really so beastly, especially on that particular team.

you're being far too kind:

https://twitter.com/mhonkasalo/status/803994691297570816
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #83 on: November 30, 2016, 03:57:19 PM »

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Are stats on bad teams that relevant? Were you sold on Tony Allen's little stretch years ago with the Celtics when Pierce was hurt, and they had very little talent? I don't think it was reasonable to say that TA was a superior offensive player b/c of that small sample size.

I'm not as much of a Randle hater as many, but I think he's Antoine 2.0. I liked Antoine (minus the 3's). I just didn't want to go down that road again with another young player.

Smart is a challenge for conventional analysis. His offensive #s stink. He continues to make winning basketball players, and appears to be our defensive enforcer. I love his hustle and defensive chops. If he could hit a couple more shots per game, we have a real player on our hands.
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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #84 on: November 30, 2016, 03:59:08 PM »

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huh?
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Re: ESPN ranked Smart 114th best
« Reply #85 on: November 30, 2016, 04:15:18 PM »

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Are stats on bad teams that relevant? Were you sold on Tony Allen's little stretch years ago with the Celtics when Pierce was hurt, and they had very little talent? I don't think it was reasonable to say that TA was a superior offensive player b/c of that small sample size.

I'm not as much of a Randle hater as many, but I think he's Antoine 2.0. I liked Antoine (minus the 3's). I just didn't want to go down that road again with another young player.

Smart is a challenge for conventional analysis. His offensive #s stink. He continues to make winning basketball players, and appears to be our defensive enforcer. I love his hustle and defensive chops. If he could hit a couple more shots per game, we have a real player on our hands.
The Lakers havent been that bad this year. They are 9-10.

Also Randle appears to be a better rebounder than Walker ever was.