bradley's improvement

[rollie mass]

i love watching bradley now and i did before but for different reasons
i loved his pickpocket defense and his utter dedication to it
bradley's vertical  is so quick and was evident defensively when he blocked shots
i admired bradley's elevation on his jumper and the way he would would release the ball a compact consistent stroke
NOW, as i watch him every game getting more confident in his dribbling and getting to hoop it is like the addition of a new player-a WOW event,this is dramatic and sustainable
was it the addition of horford ,the necessity o fmaking up for loss of turner,his small salary or watching isaiah and rozier get to hoop
i failed to add his rebounding,  where he is using his vertical to rebound a la rozier

this is not like amirs night with threes but using his quickness ,threat of outside shooting and quick vertical to get to hoop-bradley also comes off screen very well
this is huge going forward, if he gets closed out on three's or played for pullup, avery is now going to hoop and scoring
this is a dynamic shift in his game and thinking,which also may allow him to temper his defense a BIT and get more rebounds
i just finished watching the game because of european time , it was on to late
-it wasn't isaiah,it wasn't jaylen,it wasn't marcus it was-  WOW bradley can not only hit from outside he now can almost at will take it inside and this isn't a fluke

going forward, as the season progresses and celts get players back from injury
 horford and kelly will open up the court and with attention on isaiah, bradley will be taking it to hoop and either finish or has horford  as a big target
i don't think fans realize, how huge a step this is for the team 
it is possible for bradley to be a 20ppg scorer even better his assists and rebounding will increase
did bradley just become the celts most valuable player

[footey]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

[Moranis]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

[gift]

I thought Bradley had topped out last year, which I was fine with. He has definitely taken another step forward this year. In addition to his shooting, he is now a legitimate threat driving to the basket. Handles contact better. He creates shots for big guys at the rim. I don't think it's a fluke. I think he's a legit better player than he was last year. Seems like he sees the floor better with the ball too.

[gift]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

Butler is taller than Bradley, which may be enough to make him effectively better. But Bradley now looks like the more skilled player which is probably more useful on this Celtics team. So I can understand not wanting to trade Bradley for Butler straight up. Last year this idea would have been crazy.

[rollie mass]

bradley was called the best perimeter defender by several top guards,
is it a surprise the celts played the warriors so well and beat them on home court or beat cleveland at  home also-a last 2nd shot by bladley
the point is being a perimeter defender in modern nba with the three pointer usage from guards makes avery a very valuable player-his dedication and heart on defense are a rarity and a necessity to beat teams like golden state


 

[td450]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

If you want to argue that Butler has played at this level for over 2 years and is much more likely to sustain his current performance than Bradley, that's a legit point.

But if you want to argue that Butler has been better than Bradley so far this year, well that's just not true. Bradley has been slightly better than Butler so far. 

[showtime]

Brad Stevens should tell Brown, to follow AB around at practice and watch how hard he works to improve his game.  Bradley is very close to being an all star caliber player.

[Moranis]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

If you want to argue that Butler has played at this level for over 2 years and is much more likely to sustain his current performance than Bradley, that's a legit point.

But if you want to argue that Butler has been better than Bradley so far this year, well that's just not true. Bradley has been slightly better than Butler so far.

Here are the per 36 numbers for them

p/r/a/s/b/t/f/2%/3%/F%

19.7/7.9/3.8/0.6/0.2/1.9/3.1/52/48.4/75 - Bradley
24.3/7.7/2.9/0.9/0.0/0.9/3.4/43.9/50/83.3 - Butler

So Butler is scoring more on better shooting from 3 and the line, turning the ball over less often, with slightly more steals.  Bradley has been better from 2 and passing, with slightly better rebounding, shot blocking, and fouling. 

Now the totals are a bit different because Bradley has played 6 minutes more per game, but I wouldn't expect that to continue as Butler is a good deal lower than what has been getting the prior three years, so he should go up into the Bradley range (assuming Bradley even stays up that high as that is a career high by over 4 minutes a game).

I say again, Butler has been the better player than Bradley even this year, though they are obviously closer than prior years.  Bradley however has career highs in a number of areas thus far this year, and I would expect those to normalize a bit back to what he has been the prior three years.   

[footey]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

If you want to argue that Butler has played at this level for over 2 years and is much more likely to sustain his current performance than Bradley, that's a legit point.

But if you want to argue that Butler has been better than Bradley so far this year, well that's just not true. Bradley has been slightly better than Butler so far.

Here are the per 36 numbers for them

p/r/a/s/b/t/f/2%/3%/F%

19.7/7.9/3.8/0.6/0.2/1.9/3.1/52/48.4/75 - Bradley
24.3/7.7/2.9/0.9/0.0/0.9/3.4/43.9/50/83.3 - Butler

So Butler is scoring more on better shooting from 3 and the line, turning the ball over less often, with slightly more steals.  Bradley has been better from 2 and passing, with slightly better rebounding, shot blocking, and fouling. 

Now the totals are a bit different because Bradley has played 6 minutes more per game, but I wouldn't expect that to continue as Butler is a good deal lower than what has been getting the prior three years, so he should go up into the Bradley range (assuming Bradley even stays up that high as that is a career high by over 4 minutes a game).

I say again, Butler has been the better player than Bradley even this year, though they are obviously closer than prior years.  Bradley however has career highs in a number of areas thus far this year, and I would expect those to normalize a bit back to what he has been the prior three years.   

Your stats don't take defense into account. Bradley is a better defender than Butler. So if they are about even on offense this year, a good case could be made that Bradley is better.

I admit there is some emotional attachment I have to Bradley. He seems like the guy everyone wanted to throw in on a number of trades, often in lieu of trading Smart, for example. To me, Bradley is shown so much progress each year offensively, he has become far more untouchable than Marcus in a trade. And I like Marcus. Just feel there will always be a limit to his growth offensively.

I truthfully have not watched Jimmy Butler much, nor studied his stats. On the few occasions I have watched him, I just don't feel I see anything special.  He too like Avery is a bit of an over-achiever, getting better each year.  But I stand by my prior statement (tinted with emotion, for sure) I would not trade Avery for Butler straight up.   And remember last summer we were being asked to trade our #3 pick, Avery, Jae Crowder and some combo of Net picks to get into a room with Chicago.

Since you seem to like Butler more than Avery, whom would you be willing to trade to get him?

Avery plus _____??

[guava_wrench]

TP Rollie.

Remember when Bradley was a throw in to a number of trade ideas for guys like Butler in the off season?

I wouldn't trade Avery straight up for Butler.

Avery could be our best player.

Butler is better than Bradley, even this year with Bradley's hot start.

If you want to argue that Butler has played at this level for over 2 years and is much more likely to sustain his current performance than Bradley, that's a legit point.

But if you want to argue that Butler has been better than Bradley so far this year, well that's just not true. Bradley has been slightly better than Butler so far.

Here are the per 36 numbers for them

p/r/a/s/b/t/f/2%/3%/F%

19.7/7.9/3.8/0.6/0.2/1.9/3.1/52/48.4/75 - Bradley
24.3/7.7/2.9/0.9/0.0/0.9/3.4/43.9/50/83.3 - Butler

So Butler is scoring more on better shooting from 3 and the line, turning the ball over less often, with slightly more steals.  Bradley has been better from 2 and passing, with slightly better rebounding, shot blocking, and fouling. 

Now the totals are a bit different because Bradley has played 6 minutes more per game, but I wouldn't expect that to continue as Butler is a good deal lower than what has been getting the prior three years, so he should go up into the Bradley range (assuming Bradley even stays up that high as that is a career high by over 4 minutes a game).

I say again, Butler has been the better player than Bradley even this year, though they are obviously closer than prior years.  Bradley however has career highs in a number of areas thus far this year, and I would expect those to normalize a bit back to what he has been the prior three years.   
Butler probably doesn't return to Thibodeau minutes.

[rollie mass]

what bradley has improved is mindset, as well as worked on handles and passing
this isn't some passing fancy as the season goes on and defenses become lazy,
bradley will find it easier to get to the hoop and he will go to the line more-
avery's crossover and quickness won't go away
brad will promote averys getting to the hoop=isaiah now has a 20ppg  teammate  just by getting to the basket and the foul line-
i

[GratefulCs]

So ainge really sucks at drafting, am i right y'all?

 


Bradley killin it

JB showing signs of the future

Jimmy keeping the bench SO warm

[CelticPride2016]

No one can predict the future, but we might already have a championship roster.

Bradley is clearly a Big Three component at this point. The jury is still out on Olynyk and Rozier, but I like their chances. Horford is a Big Three member. Isaiah is a superstar. Let's continue. Smart, Crowder and Johnson are above average winners.

That's eight guys and the core.

Green, Zeller and Jerebko are hired journeymen.

Incomplete grades go to Mickey and Jackson.

I don't know why Young is still on the team.

That leaves Jaylen Brown who is one of the best players in the league, but in his first year. Danny hit the bull's-eye.

[aingeforthree]

So ainge really sucks at drafting, am i right y'all?

 


Bradley killin it

JB showing signs of the future

Jimmy keeping the bench SO warm

This years draft could be talked about for quite some time.

Brown, Yabusele, Zizic. All under 20. Heckuva draft haul IMO. Talent everywhere