Can we stop with the excuses?

[Smartacus]

I think the response has been fairly measured. If anything think there's been more knee jerk, sky is falling, tear everything down sentiment around here than excuse making. Listened to a stat expert on the Locked on NBA podcast who says that there's no use looking at the stats until about 20 games in. That timeline sounds about right to me.

I'm not saying that we can't be playing better, I support the coach and his comments to light a fire under the team, but let's give this organization a bit of credit here too. We've built the groundwork for a legitimate deep playoff contender. Not going to freaky out yet about 5 games.

[GreenWarrior]

i'm giving actual reasons why we're not good.

everyone else on this board seems to want to shut the team down and forfeit all the games until everyone is healthy.

when I've already stated using the injuries as a reason is actually just an excuse. because before the season started and going back to last season the 1st thing everyone on this board would tell you is "we're deep". it can't be both.

So you're saying that this team is "not good"...because some anonymous people (that you've never actually met before)...on an online celtics forum...said that this team was "deep". Am I understanding that correctly?

I can't teach reading comprehension and find solutions for the Celtics too.

what i'm saying is people on this board can't use the injuries as a reason or an excuse as to why we aren't good because these same people said we are a deep team.

do you follow?

[alldaboston]

i'm giving actual reasons why we're not good.

everyone else on this board seems to want to shut the team down and forfeit all the games until everyone is healthy.

when I've already stated using the injuries as a reason is actually just an excuse. because before the season started and going back to last season the 1st thing everyone on this board would tell you is "we're deep". it can't be both.

So you're saying that this team is "not good"...because some anonymous people (that you've never actually met before)...on an online celtics forum...said that this team was "deep". Am I understanding that correctly?

I can't teach reading comprehension and find solutions for the Celtics too.

what i'm saying is people on this board can't use the injuries as a reason or an excuse as to why we aren't good because these same people said we are a deep team.

do you follow?

You don't need to find solutions for the Celtics. Odd are, Danny doesn't browse this forum.

Sure, point accepted. But then what are you saying when you say "we're not good"? Explain that.

[GreenWarrior]

wow! again with the excuses.

My post was not excuses, Denver was hot.   They scored 77 points in the first half.

Your blaming guys like AB, I have to wonder if you have the acumen to know what an excuse is?  Scapegoating is a form of excuse, your blaming personnel as the source of our problems.

pretty sure mudiay was like 7-80 or something ridiculous like that(whatever) coming into this game. if that's considered "hot" then i'm not sure I can have an intelligent conversation on the matter.

[Ilikesports17]

i'm giving actual reasons why we're not good.

everyone else on this board seems to want to shut the team down and forfeit all the games until everyone is healthy.

when I've already stated using the injuries as a reason is actually just an excuse. because before the season started and going back to last season the 1st thing everyone on this board would tell you is "we're deep". it can't be both.

So you're saying that this team is "not good"...because some anonymous people (that you've never actually met before)...on an online celtics forum...said that this team was "deep". Am I understanding that correctly?

I can't teach reading comprehension and find solutions for the Celtics too.

what i'm saying is people on this board can't use the injuries as a reason or an excuse as to why we aren't good because these same people said we are a deep team.

do you follow?

A quick look at our roster suggests that that depth is a bit overrated but not too too much.

Its been clear for a while that the biggest lack of depth would be behind Jae Crowder. We have Gerald Green, a rookie and the immortal James Young.

Now the other injury is to our max contract 4x all star big man. Most teams cant really sustain that injury especially if the big who would naturally come in to back him up is also out with an injury.

We ARE deep, but no one can really sustain multiple losses to top level players.

we are 6 games into the season and weve already seen our 6th man(Smart) arguably our best player(Horford) and probably our 4th best player and only true 3(Crowder) miss games and all this while our number one big off the bench has yet to play.

We have depth. Not that much depth. I dont think the 3 losses this year are indictments on our depth. We lost to Cle in Cle. Who cares? not me.

We lost to Chicago in Chicago on the second night of a back to back when Wade-Rondo-Butler shot 9-14 from 3. We lost to Denver because the whole [dang] team didnt show up and Mudiay became Steph Curry for a quarter. I dont think any of those games are [dang]ing to our depth.

We are good. I still expect 50+ wins from this team.

Utah was deep last year but ultimately a few big injuries screwed them. Denver is and was deep but injuries to Gallo and Chandler screwed them. We were deep last year but injuries to 3 of our 4 best shooters screwed us.

It doesnt matter how deep you are. If 2-4 key guys go down you are going to be much reduced as a team.

[Ilikesports17]

wow! again with the excuses.

My post was not excuses, Denver was hot.   They scored 77 points in the first half.

Your blaming guys like AB, I have to wonder if you have the acumen to know what an excuse is?  Scapegoating is a form of excuse, your blaming personnel as the source of our problems.

pretty sure mudiay was like 7-80 or something ridiculous like that(whatever) coming into this game. if that's considered "hot" then i'm not sure I can have an intelligent conversation on the matter.

he was 9-10 in the first quarter. You can blame some amount of that on defense but Mudiay was unconscious. You play him that same way 100 times I doubt he goes off like that again.

I am concerned about our perimeter D. This is a team that is better than they are showing in terms of defending 3 point shots. Letting guys like Rondo Wade and Mudiay get that hot from deep is concerning but with Brad and the perimeter talent we have, I dont expect it to be a year long problem. Very fixable.

[mr. dee]

wow! again with the excuses.

My post was not excuses, Denver was hot.   They scored 77 points in the first half.

Your blaming guys like AB, I have to wonder if you have the acumen to know what an excuse is?  Scapegoating is a form of excuse, your blaming personnel as the source of our problems.

pretty sure mudiay was like 7-80 or something ridiculous like that(whatever) coming into this game. if that's considered "hot" then i'm not sure I can have an intelligent conversation on the matter.

he was 9-10 in the first quarter. You can blame some amount of that on defense but Mudiay was unconscious. You play him that same way 100 times I doubt he goes off like that again.

I am concerned about our perimeter D. This is a team that is better than they are showing in terms of defending 3 point shots. Letting guys like Rondo Wade and Mudiay get that hot from deep is concerning but with Brad and the perimeter talent we have, I dont expect it to be a year long problem. Very fixable.

Yep. I expect that problem to be solve once our rim protector Horford comes back. Like someone said before, our guards were overcompensating by defending the post which leaves the perimeter open. It doesn't help that our starting center right now is a complete softie.

[flybono]

Keep on trading Danny, you ain't made a bad move yet

[GreenWarrior]

i'm giving actual reasons why we're not good.

everyone else on this board seems to want to shut the team down and forfeit all the games until everyone is healthy.

when I've already stated using the injuries as a reason is actually just an excuse. because before the season started and going back to last season the 1st thing everyone on this board would tell you is "we're deep". it can't be both.

So you're saying that this team is "not good"...because some anonymous people (that you've never actually met before)...on an online celtics forum...said that this team was "deep". Am I understanding that correctly?

I can't teach reading comprehension and find solutions for the Celtics too.

what i'm saying is people on this board can't use the injuries as a reason or an excuse as to why we aren't good because these same people said we are a deep team.

do you follow?

You don't need to find solutions for the Celtics. Odd are, Danny doesn't browse this forum.

Sure, point accepted. But then what are you saying when you say "we're not good"? Explain that.

we're a collection of role players. rebounding is an issue... a big reason why our defense is poor. the bench is horrible without evan turner - the only guy who could get his own shot and in the process create for other players. rozier is not that guy.

oh and let's not forget - we need a star and we still have no actual shooters, we have a bunch of guys that can shoot but no one should be mistaking them for "shooters".

the reason why I singled AB out is because when a guy comes out and says he wants to be DPoY and proceeds to let guys go off I have a problem with that.

this team has put themselves in position to have expectations - no excuses!

[mctyson]

There was no excuse for their performance last night.

Some people are saying "they were hot."  Well, there is no facet of "being hot" that consists of getting to the rim at will, and getting wide open, uncontested looks at 3s.

The Cs got slapped in the face last night.  They played very soft and inexcusably lethargic after 3 days with no games and in front of a good crowd.

They got boos and honestly they deserved more. 

I think Brad made a mistake starting Zeller in place of Horford.  Zeller is a nice plug-n-play backup C who can run the floor but he plays WAY SMALLER than 7'1"  They need to stay big on the front line and Amir has to play more than 16 freaking minutes.

Also, Isaiah Thomas did nothing on defense as I saw it, and he better be concerned about that.  If this team is going to have any shot with him he has to be a capable defender.

I am not going to trash Jaylen Brown because he doesn't deserve but the starting unit needs Marcus Smart without Crowder, that is clear as day.

[alldaboston]

we're a collection of role players. rebounding is an issue... a big reason why our defense is poor. the bench is horrible without evan turner - the only guy who could get his own shot and in the process create for other players. rozier is not that guy.

We're not a collection of role players. We are a team with 2 all star players, 2 more legitimate NBA starters, and some quality role players, many of whom are young and can develop into legitimate starters in a few years.

rebounding is indeed an issue. there's no way around it.

yes, ,we're missing turner, but did you want us to resign him? you'd be adding another role player at the expense of an all star. was that the preferred plan of action for you?

oh and let's not forget - we need a star and we still have no actual shooters, we have a bunch of guys that can shoot but no one should be mistaking them for "shooters".

i have no idea what you mean here. sounds like you're implying, "we have guys who can shoot the ball. a few of them can actually shoot the ball pretty well. however, they are not shooters." what do you mean? what designates a "shooter"? what is this arbitrary threshold that you've designated to qualify someone as a "shooter", that none of our players have?

the reason why I singled AB out is because when a guy comes out and says he wants to be DPoY and proceeds to let guys go off I have a problem with that.

every defender has off nights. every defender has games where he doesn't play as well as expected. but sometimes, a player just has a career night, and you can't do anything about it. Mudiay went 9/10 in the first quarter. i dont think you understand how crazy that is. guys go off. it is what it is. move on. could the defense be better? for sure, but defense is a collective effort. you don't win games by playing 5 man individual defense. you win games by playing team defense. and that's gotta improve. there's no use singling out a guy when the team defense is the issue.

this team has put themselves in position to have expectations - no excuses!

I will agree with you here. This team thrived on being counted out. on being the underdogs. on having no hype. now that the hype is here, they've let it get to their heads. they've gotta regain that chip on their shoulder.

[GreenWarrior]

we're a collection of role players. rebounding is an issue... a big reason why our defense is poor. the bench is horrible without evan turner - the only guy who could get his own shot and in the process create for other players. rozier is not that guy.

We're not a collection of role players. We are a team with 2 all star players, 2 more legitimate NBA starters, and some quality role players, many of whom are young and can develop into legitimate starters in a few years.

just because they have the numbers doesn't mean they aren't role players. as much as Celtics fans try to convince themselves IT and Horford are not superstars, they're nice players and yeah they are All Stars but there is a difference.
 

rebounding is indeed an issue. there's no way around it.

and we're an undersized/small team that's not changing anytime soon. 

yes, ,we're missing turner, but did you want us to resign him? you'd be adding another role player at the expense of an all star. was that the preferred plan of action for you?

no. but someone should have realized Rozier wasn't taking that role.

oh and let's not forget - we need a star and we still have no actual shooters, we have a bunch of guys that can shoot but no one should be mistaking them for "shooters".

i have no idea what you mean here. sounds like you're implying, "we have guys who can shoot the ball. a few of them can actually shoot the ball pretty well. however, they are not shooters." what do you mean? what designates a "shooter"? what is this arbitrary threshold that you've designated to qualify someone as a "shooter", that none of our players have?

what would you classify Kyle Korver as? because i'm not putting anyone on this team in his category.

and before anyone comes back and tells me what Korver shot what and anyone else on this team shot it doesn't matter in this situation. but go ahead I know...

the reason why I singled AB out is because when a guy comes out and says he wants to be DPoY and proceeds to let guys go off I have a problem with that.

every defender has off nights. every defender has games where he doesn't play as well as expected. but sometimes, a player just has a career night, and you can't do anything about it. Mudiay went 9/10 in the first quarter. i dont think you understand how crazy that is. guys go off. it is what it is. move on. could the defense be better? for sure, but defense is a collective effort. you don't win games by playing 5 man individual defense. you win games by playing team defense. and that's gotta improve. there's no use singling out a guy when the team defense is the issue.

like a previous poster mentioned - there's "hot" and letting guys get to the basket. and that's exactly what happened last night. AB was on Mudiay early on(actually picked him up on the tip) he let a guy that has not shot well at all get to the basket(which he also did against wade) and let him see the ball go in the hoop... he let 'em outta the box yesterday.

again if he hadn't said he wanted to be DPoY then fine I guess. but now I have expectations.