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Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« on: October 14, 2016, 08:37:55 AM »

Offline mr. dee

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Some people thought they will be just defensive role players who can't shoot.  :D

Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #1 on: October 14, 2016, 08:55:00 AM »

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Offensively? Probably. TA did have that one stretch where he averaged like 20 ppg while the Celtics were losing a lot before he got hurt. Then the big 3 came together and he took less of a role.

They are definitely more well rounded. Both can shoot, dribble, pass better and not turn the ball over every time they touch it. TA could one/two dribble drive better.

Both are in his league in terms of defense. Smart has potential to be even better. So yeah, I'd say they are both better.

Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #2 on: October 14, 2016, 09:13:39 AM »

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Overall impact AB yes. Smart no.

Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #3 on: October 14, 2016, 09:21:27 AM »

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I would say yes but that's not saying much IMO. Not a big TA fan but I will give him credit for getting better over the years. I'm not a fan of low BBIQ and guards who can't shoot.

Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #4 on: October 14, 2016, 09:21:49 AM »

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Avery Bradley is already better. Especially if this improved playmaking is consistent. Smart is slowly finding his game. If he continues to rely more on mid range jumpers and bulldozing his way to the hoop, than yes. It's good to see him take less 3's.

Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #5 on: October 14, 2016, 05:46:27 PM »

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Wasnt able to watch the C's prior to FEB 2008 as much as I would have liked - so I missed most if not all of the TA prior to the big 3 era. The 07-08 season was when the C's lost what? 35 or so games in a row? I still remember PP and BigAl beeing the only things that keeped me from skipping the C's games for remaining games. TA's time in those seasons after 07-08 was overshadowed with injuries. His offence was most of the time inconsistant or not existant. His 3 point shot was low percentage and his drives often ended out of controll. Both passing and driving often resultet in turnovers. He allways was a serviceable defender but turning the ball over negates much of his D. One-On-One skillz seldom help if you trail the opponents fast break. Dispite all that TA was allways working and trying hard on the floor which got him many fans. After he left the C's he was having some good time with less injuries and ppl talked about how good he was playing. To tell the truth its hard for me to find the time to follow ex-celtics players in a way which would allow me to write an observation based statement.

So I will slightly alter the subject to: Are both AB & MS better than the TA I  had to chance to watch regulary when he was in Boston. AB sure was even prior to this preseason. Last year he was shooting allready much better than TA in the time frame I defined further up. This year he looks even better so far as he seems to have his dribble, passing and shot improofed even further. On the other end he is giving ppl nightmares. When he guarded the pg in the brooklyn game that guy wasnt able to hold onto the ball, all dribbles were disrupted and the ball fumbled because AB was allways having a hand in there causing deflections. Even if the guy was able to recover the ball was picked up and the only option left was to pass ball.
Smarts preseason so far has shown that his shooting has improofed as has his ability to drive the ball. Last year he seemed to slow the become successfull in that department but he shows that dispite his lack of quickness he is able to finish at the rim. From what I can tell its his iso dribble that has improofed a lot. Instead of running blindly into opposition banking on his strenght he now is able to work the defender with some shaking und baking while waiting for the opening to appear. His improofed ablity to pull up for inside shots helps him a lot, hopefully he can maintain on that level thruout the season. His passing I allways liked - he clicks well with Zeller, to with he delivers the passes for open shots from the top of the key, that works with Al H. even better. Smart was turning the ball over very seldom basicly ever since he was drafted. That I allways liked about him.

So imo both Smart and AB at this point in the preseason I would rate over TA from the big 3 era.

the TA I'm talking about here was looking a lot like TR at the moment. Rozier also often looks pretty wild on Offence and will also lose the ball on his way to the basket but that will improof during this season with more playing time and growing expierience. The their bodies and aggressivness make them look very simular at times.
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Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #6 on: October 14, 2016, 06:10:35 PM »

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Overall impact AB yes. Smart no.
Agree.  I think AB is definitely better while Smart, for all his defensive prowess gets dinged for being a terrible offensive player.  At least TA knew his limitations and was actually good at something (finishing).

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« Reply #7 on: October 14, 2016, 06:47:42 PM »

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I think we should all feel lucky we have both AB and YGC on our team (and have had all of them).

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« Reply #8 on: October 14, 2016, 07:39:16 PM »

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Bradley, sure.

Smart, unfortunately not yet.  Kinda depressing.  I still think he can make a leap this year despite the rough preseason start.

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« Reply #9 on: October 14, 2016, 07:46:09 PM »

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Offensively, Bradley is easily better than peak TA, Smart is probably on par with peak TA.

Defensively neither are as good as peak TA.  They're both close, but TA has been the preeminent perimeter defender in the Association for a number of years.  TA was not only a phenomenal individual defender, but a very solid team defender as well.  The total package.
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Bradley, sure.

Smart, unfortunately not yet.  Kinda depressing.  I still think he can make a leap this year despite the rough preseason start.

After asking you that preseason question earlier lar, I looked up smarts preseason stats. Off the bench he has averaged 10 ppg on 47% from the field. Granted its only preseason, but if that is anything but a step forward idk what you want from him.
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« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2016, 08:10:49 PM »

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I think clearly.  Smart I can see people saying no for the production thus far but as this year goes along it's going to be a clear "yes" to him as well.
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Re: Is it safe to say both AB and Smart are already better than TA?
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2016, 08:13:46 PM »

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I think clearly.  Smart I can see people saying no for the production thus far but as this year goes along it's going to be a clear "yes" to him as well.
Hopefully.  As KGsKnee says, neither is as good as peak TA at defense.  Smart's offense was historically bad.  So he's going to need to make improvements on both ends to reach TA's level.  I have faith he can do it.

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« Reply #13 on: October 14, 2016, 08:17:17 PM »

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I think clearly.  Smart I can see people saying no for the production thus far but as this year goes along it's going to be a clear "yes" to him as well.
Hopefully.  As KGsKnee says, neither is as good as peak TA at defense.  Smart's offense was historically bad.  So he's going to need to make improvements on both ends to reach TA's level.  I have faith he can do it.

I'm with you on the rest, but personally I actually think both are already as good as TA on defense but that's one mans opinion.  I think Smart is better than Bradley on defense too. 

I have my own private rankings.

Defense is complicated to compare and all that.  I think the fact that the Celtics defense was where it was last year with the guys on the roster outside of Smart, Bradley, and Crowder says a whole lot about how good those three are.  I think they are three very special defenders. 

Amir deserves credit too.  Horford should be great this year.
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« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2016, 10:11:17 PM »

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Bradley, sure.

Smart, unfortunately not yet.  Kinda depressing.  I still think he can make a leap this year despite the rough preseason start.

After asking you that preseason question earlier lar, I looked up smarts preseason stats. Off the bench he has averaged 10 ppg on 47% from the field. Granted its only preseason, but if that is anything but a step forward idk what you want from him.
Smart looks much calmer and therefore smarter out there.  I think he's been playing great this preseason.