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Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2016, 09:16:40 AM »

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My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Lot of people predicting Roz is trade bait, many of those have Smart as an All-Star (which literally makes me laugh out loud). I'm not sure why people want to give up on a second year player that is just starting to show promise? Many of these same had AB as a bust I'm sure.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #31 on: October 14, 2016, 10:33:20 AM »

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My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Solid prediction if this is before last season. It's a new season, and this talented youngster looks darn good.
Completely agree. It's hard to ignore how good Rozier has been playing. Hes right there with Smart and Brown as far as potential.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #32 on: October 14, 2016, 11:12:43 AM »

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My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Lot of people predicting Roz is trade bait, many of those have Smart as an All-Star (which literally makes me laugh out loud). I'm not sure why people want to give up on a second year player that is just starting to show promise? Many of these same had AB as a bust I'm sure.

If I chose between the two I'd choose Smart, however it's not between the two. Rozier could well become a good player on this team but what I do know is Danny is looking to consolidate some of our "good" guys into a "great" guy. It's well documented that Smart's trade value isn't as high as we value him so I don't see him being that piece in a trade that makes analysts say "Here's the wildcard for who won this deal". Rozier is that wildcard.

You have to give up to get and Rozier is in a position where he is expendable as an asset and should also have reasonable value. That's where the trade prediction comes from. The minutes thing comes from my belief that he doesn't provide a skill that bests the other 3 enough to take their minutes. He doesn't defend like Bradley and Smart, he doesn't shoot like IT or Bradley, he can't run plays to the level of IT and Smart. Some will disagree but I haven't seen it yet.

I haven't had AB as a bust, he's always been a favourite of mine. In fact he's what makes Rozier's position as trade bait possible. His constant improvement season to season is incredible.
My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Solid prediction if this is before last season. It's a new season, and this talented youngster looks darn good.

I'm not saying he doesn't look good, I'm saying I don't think he makes the impact some are expecting. If you asked me who will win more minutes between him and Brown, I say Brown hands down. Also there will be times when Green makes an impact due to his shooting will will also impinge on Rozier's minutes. I think he will look good in the minutes he plays but that it will be off the ball and will not exceed 15 mins.

There is always that guy who should be playing more but the coach can't find someone to take out the game, to me that is Rozier this year. And then I think we cash in on the potential nearer the trade deadline. He could be packaged with KO for a rookie scale player like Okafor or packaged with Zeller's contract and multiple pieces to bring in a more sizeable contract like Cousins

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #33 on: October 14, 2016, 11:36:17 AM »

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My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Lot of people predicting Roz is trade bait, many of those have Smart as an All-Star (which literally makes me laugh out loud). I'm not sure why people want to give up on a second year player that is just starting to show promise? Many of these same had AB as a bust I'm sure.
Im against trading either because I think youd be selling low with either guy.

The logic isnt that people want to sell low on Rozier necessarily as opposed to wanting to get something without giving up anything. Giving up Rozier is giving up a nice young player, but he didnt impact the team last year. If you trade Rozier for a sharpshooter (say Korver), you can easily just mentally add Korver to the team without having to subtract Rozier because Rozier has yet to really impact the team. If you dump Smart you have to mentally add Korver and subtract Smart and thats a bummer.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #34 on: October 14, 2016, 11:55:37 AM »

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Rozier, Smart, Brown coming off the bench looks like a strength as of now, and they each have plenty of potential.

I see no reason to trade anybody as of right now.  Those guys appear to be developing some chemistry together.

For now, IT, Bradley, and Crowder are the clear cut starters, but in a couple of years it may be time for Rozier, Smart, and Brown to take over.  I'm happy to let them develop together on the bench playing 15-25 minutes a game, for the meantime.
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Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #35 on: October 14, 2016, 01:09:44 PM »

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I know this is not going to make sense to most but the team may decide to building around Smart, Rozier, Brown, who ever we get with the next two BKN picks and who ever we get back in a trade of Horford (in a year or so).  IT may not be with us all that much longer either (FA or trade).

It is really pretty amazing that we can be winning and building a young core at the same time but at some point, we will need to either trade some young promising players/picks for more veterans or trade the veterans for more high ceiling young players.  Most people assume it will be the former but i just have this hunch it may end up being the latter.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #36 on: October 14, 2016, 02:05:50 PM »

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Agreed - its going to be IT leaving at some point, not AB, MS or Terry.  And when that happens Terry will be ready and we will be glad Terry is here.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #37 on: October 14, 2016, 04:31:36 PM »

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Agreed - its going to be IT leaving at some point, not AB, MS or Terry.  And when that happens Terry will be ready and we will be glad Terry is here.

I think it's Crowder. Crowder plus picks type package bringing back something big. Rozier stays.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #38 on: October 14, 2016, 05:05:11 PM »

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My bold prediction for this year is that Rozier averages less than 15 mins per game, doesn't play the point primarily in that time and gets traded before the year is over.

He's an exciting player but he hasn't shown he can run our sets, he over dribbles and he seems to love hero ball a bit much. It works against these pre season teams but he'll struggle against a lot of 2nd string back courts. Looks much better off the ball.

Edit: to clarify, I think he'll look good this season but it won't be at pg and he won't outshine our main 3 guard rotation of IT, Bradley and Smart. And Green will be more than ready to take minutes off of him too

Lot of people predicting Roz is trade bait, many of those have Smart as an All-Star (which literally makes me laugh out loud). I'm not sure why people want to give up on a second year player that is just starting to show promise? Many of these same had AB as a bust I'm sure.
Im against trading either because I think youd be selling low with either guy.

The logic isnt that people want to sell low on Rozier necessarily as opposed to wanting to get something without giving up anything. Giving up Rozier is giving up a nice young player, but he didnt impact the team last year. If you trade Rozier for a sharpshooter (say Korver), you can easily just mentally add Korver to the team without having to subtract Rozier because Rozier has yet to really impact the team. If you dump Smart you have to mentally add Korver and subtract Smart and thats a bummer.

I'm not trading Roz for a guy that is 35 years old, if you told me we were going to win it all this year with that move yes. But that clearly wouldn't put us over the top. Add to that you still have the same minutes crunch going on, maybe worse.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #39 on: October 14, 2016, 05:10:17 PM »

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I know this is not going to make sense to most but the team may decide to building around Smart, Rozier, Brown, who ever we get with the next two BKN picks and who ever we get back in a trade of Horford (in a year or so).  IT may not be with us all that much longer either (FA or trade).

It is really pretty amazing that we can be winning and building a young core at the same time but at some point, we will need to either trade some young promising players/picks for more veterans or trade the veterans for more high ceiling young players.  Most people assume it will be the former but i just have this hunch it may end up being the latter.

Ah my fellow VTer I agree. Soon some of these young guys and vets will be up for extensions and not all of them can stay. Cap management will be interesting to see and I like the mesh of kids/vets we have and hope we can keep that going while winning. I also believe the best chance we have of upgrading our talent is through the draft, but Danny could surprise us.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #40 on: October 14, 2016, 07:42:13 PM »

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I hope the preseason contributions off the bench from Rozier and Brown carry over into the regular season.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #41 on: October 15, 2016, 08:09:14 PM »

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He's a much better shooter off the dribble then I thought he would ever be.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #42 on: October 15, 2016, 08:34:15 PM »

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He's got an ability to make great decisions when coming off picks with the ball in his hands.
He reminds me of Dywane Wade coming off the picks as he dribbles towards the basket.
Strong, good handle and excellent length finishing around the rim. If he doesn't see a good shot at the rim he pulls straight up with a soft touch.

As I said in the other Rozier thread, I think Danny made a great pick here.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

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Read that last line again. One more time.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #43 on: October 15, 2016, 08:40:23 PM »

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He's got an ability to make great decisions when coming off picks with the ball in his hands.
He reminds me of Dywane Wade coming off the picks as he dribbles towards the basket.
Strong, good handle and excellent length finishing around the rim. If he doesn't see a good shot at the rim he pulls straight up with a soft touch.

As I said in the other Rozier thread, I think Danny made a great pick here.
I was impressed also that he didn't force it when the shot or lane wasn't there. He found the open guy on the perimeter off the dribble.

Re: Terry Rozier excitement
« Reply #44 on: October 15, 2016, 10:17:57 PM »

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He's got an ability to make great decisions when coming off picks with the ball in his hands.
He reminds me of Dywane Wade coming off the picks as he dribbles towards the basket.
Strong, good handle and excellent length finishing around the rim. If he doesn't see a good shot at the rim he pulls straight up with a soft touch.

As I said in the other Rozier thread, I think Danny made a great pick here.



 Hey Chamber's, you know what funny about your post. It's that way too many people were comparing Smart's offense to D Wade. That was a stretch.

 Rozier actually has a chance to be Mini Wade though. So it turns out that we did draft a Mini Wade. Just a different player.