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bosh and blood clots
« on: October 12, 2016, 06:13:21 PM »

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having  by the grace of god survived full leg dvt and a actute bi lateral embolism and
 the celts going through len bias and reggie lewis tragedy
it might be a very good idea not to take the risk
boston has great hospitals and specialists
can't think of a place he could better be watched over than boston
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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.


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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2016, 06:51:30 PM »

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2016, 08:40:50 PM »

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?
Was that a report or speculation?   That would be pretty low on Miami's part to do that.  To hold Bosh hostage like that.  Miami should have no concern in regards to which team Bosh joins.  Miami may not even make the playoffs.

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« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2016, 08:55:42 PM »

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?

Why is giving Bosh a test run a pointless signing, even if he's out for the playoffs.


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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?
Was that a report or speculation?   That would be pretty low on Miami's part to do that.  To hold Bosh hostage like that.  Miami should have no concern in regards to which team Bosh joins.  Miami may not even make the playoffs.
A very well paid hostage.  If Bosh wants out that badly, he can work a buyout with Miami.  That's what Deron Williams did with the Nets.  I'd say 50 cents on the dollar is fair. 

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?
Was that a report or speculation?   That would be pretty low on Miami's part to do that.  To hold Bosh hostage like that.  Miami should have no concern in regards to which team Bosh joins.  Miami may not even make the playoffs.
A very well paid hostage.  If Bosh wants out that badly, he can work a buyout with Miami.  That's what Deron Williams did with the Nets.  I'd say 50 cents on the dollar is fair.

Why would Bosh ever agree to that? Assuming he's not insane, he's not giving up $35 million. He can screw the Heat by staying on their cap, and then potentially suing them as well.


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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?

Why is giving Bosh a test run a pointless signing, even if he's out for the playoffs.

He would take up a roster spot but that isn't necessarily a bad thing for a playoff team unless someone else gets hurt.  The team would go into the playoffs with only 14 eligible players at best.

I think from Miami's point of view, it is about saving cap space, not about hurting Bosh directly.  If he plays for what 25 games or something like that, the salary has to count against Miami's cap.  If he doesn't play, they clear the space.  By holding off like that, it reduces the chance of him playing more games.  Maybe not by much but Miami is going to make it as hard on him as they can in terms of returning to play.

And doesn't he still need to be cleared to play by a doctor?  Isn't that the point.  He wasn't cleared to play just recently.   I can't imagine any time lets him on the court without full and unambiguous clearance so it probably doesn't matter when they cut him.

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If he is waived, I think that means that an independent medical assessment has determined that he has a career-ending situation and he won't be able to pass a physical with any team that wants to sign him.

If you want to see Bosh play again without any concern about his health, that's just like thinking Wes Welker needs to be on an NFL field.
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If he is waived, I think that means that an independent medical assessment has determined that he has a career-ending situation and he won't be able to pass a physical with any team that wants to sign him.
If you want to see Bosh play again without any concern about his health, that's just like thinking Wes Welker needs to be on an NFL field.
This makes sense to me.  Beyond that, it seems like a mistake by Bosh to attempt a comeback if playing is life-threatening.  I know why he is trying, but he must consider the big picture.

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« Reply #10 on: October 12, 2016, 10:00:33 PM »

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?
Was that a report or speculation?   That would be pretty low on Miami's part to do that.  To hold Bosh hostage like that.  Miami should have no concern in regards to which team Bosh joins.  Miami may not even make the playoffs.
A very well paid hostage.  If Bosh wants out that badly, he can work a buyout with Miami.  That's what Deron Williams did with the Nets.  I'd say 50 cents on the dollar is fair.

Why would Bosh ever agree to that? Assuming he's not insane, he's not giving up $35 million. He can screw the Heat by staying on their cap, and then potentially suing them as well.
What can he sue them for?  He's getting paid.  They're not obligated to play him.  They can keep him on the bench for the next three years if they want to.  Deron Williams settled for 27mil buyout on a 2 year 43 mil contract so that's closer to 2/3rds not 50%.  So based on that Miami buys him out for 50mil so he'd be giving up 25mil.  Of course, he then gets to sign with another club assuming that they clear him medically. 

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« Reply #11 on: October 12, 2016, 10:17:03 PM »

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Good luck attracting new stars this off-season, Riley. I'm sure the last 3 superstars you had will give you a real good reference.

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« Reply #12 on: October 13, 2016, 12:23:06 AM »

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He's going to sign somewhere for the minimum after Miami waives him in February / March.  I'm guessing Cleveland or Houston,  but I'd take him in a second.

Wasn't the report today that Miami is gonna hold off on waiving him until after March 1? so that any team that does sign him cant play him in the playoffs? hence, kinda a pointless signing?

Why is giving Bosh a test run a pointless signing, even if he's out for the playoffs.

He would take up a roster spot but that isn't necessarily a bad thing for a playoff team unless someone else gets hurt.  The team would go into the playoffs with only 14 eligible players at best.

I think from Miami's point of view, it is about saving cap space, not about hurting Bosh directly.  If he plays for what 25 games or something like that, the salary has to count against Miami's cap.  If he doesn't play, they clear the space.  By holding off like that, it reduces the chance of him playing more games.  Maybe not by much but Miami is going to make it as hard on him as they can in terms of returning to play.

And doesn't he still need to be cleared to play by a doctor?  Isn't that the point.  He wasn't cleared to play just recently.   I can't imagine any time lets him on the court without full and unambiguous clearance so it probably doesn't matter when they cut him.

well, here's the thing. if he signs with that team after March 1, he might not get to play 25 games (cuz theres not that many games left in the regular season). I think Miami is thinking "ok, let's release him after March 1, that way, no team signs him (for just the regular season essentially), and he doesnt make progress on those 25 games".

because, technically, bosh could sign somewhere after March 1, play like 12 games, then playoffs start and he cant play. but the following season, he comes back to the team, and is now a full time player. at that point, plays 13 more games, and boom. miami gets his contract on the cap again.

basically, miami is doing this so that (i think) no team signs Bosh for regular season only, so that Bosh doesnt make any progress whatsoever on the 25 games he has to play. then, once a whole summer goes by without him playing anywhere (in addition to not playing at all in the previous season), he realizes "hey, maybe theyre right, maybe i really am done". and that way, Miami hopes that teams realize that Bosh is done too, and they dont go for him. hence, miami gets rid of his contract on their cap, and doesnt have to worry about any team seriously considering to sign bosh.
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« Reply #13 on: October 13, 2016, 12:56:33 AM »

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It's time for Chris Bosh to move on to the next phase of his life. He has a wife and family.

Someone needs to protect this young man from himself.

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« Reply #14 on: October 13, 2016, 01:35:02 AM »

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It's time for Chris Bosh to move on to the next phase of his life. He has a wife and family.

Someone needs to protect this young man from himself.

it really stinks. he's in denial about it, and he thinks he's an athlete and he's still young, so just because of that he can automatically get back to playing again.
I could very well see the Hawks... starting Taurean Prince at the 3, who is already better than Crowder, imo.

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