"knockdown shooter"

[alldaboston]

It's possible that Gerald Green can , at least in part, fill that role. He did a great job at it in Phoenix, he can do it here reunited with IT.

just to be clear, though. Gerald didnt have his career year in Phoenix (15 a game) when Isaiah was in Phoenix. He still had a fairly decent year (almost 12 a game), but his career year was the year before Isaiah joined Phoenix.

[td450]

Why does our shooter have to be a 2 guard??

Exactly maybe KO and Jerekbo get on a few more streaks. If they can get clicking and better integrated into the lineup thanks to Hordeford that is space.

lol, this is the kind of thinking that led to our demise last yr.

personally i'm glad at least someone in the organization has acknowledged that the shooting has not improved from last season.

really we should try to pry korver from Atlanta's dead hands.

This had absolutely zero to do with our demise last year. IT, AB, KO and Crowder were our shooters. Three of those four guys were either unable to play or were rendered ineffective by  injuries, and we played an unusually good 1st round opponent considering our record.

Attempting to get more out of KO is our most feasible approach. 

Sullinger played 24 mpg with an eFG of .453.
Turner played 28 mpg with an eFG of .460

We have two new players:

Horford (eFG - .547)
Brown (?)

I expect IT, AB and Crowder to all improve slightly, but it makes sense to give more minutes to Olynyk, who only played 20 mpg last year, and can really shoot. He is an efficient offensive player and a shooter with range at a position where covering him pulls a defensive big out of the lane.

[alldaboston]

Why does our shooter have to be a 2 guard??

Exactly maybe KO and Jerekbo get on a few more streaks. If they can get clicking and better integrated into the lineup thanks to Hordeford that is space.

lol, this is the kind of thinking that led to our demise last yr.

personally i'm glad at least someone in the organization has acknowledged that the shooting has not improved from last season.

really we should try to pry korver from Atlanta's dead hands.

This had absolutely zero to do with our demise last year. IT, AB, KO and Crowder were our shooters. Three of those four guys were either unable to play or were rendered ineffective by  injuries, and we played an unusually good 1st round opponent considering our record.

Attempting to get more out of KO is our most feasible approach. 

Sullinger played 24 mpg with an eFG of .453.
Turner played 28 mpg with an eFG of .460

We have two new players:

Horford (eFG - .547)
Brown (?)

I expect IT, AB and Crowder to all improve slightly, but it makes sense to give more minutes to Olynyk, who only played 20 mpg last year, and can really shoot. He is an efficient offensive player and a shooter with range at a position where covering him pulls a defensive big out of the lane.

eh, i agree with GreenWarrior on this one. come playoff time, are you really gonna wanna depend on inconsistent Kelly Olynyk to help the team? dont get me wrong, hes a talented player, great shooter, but if you're gonna count on guys like Kelly and Jerebko to help us significantly in the playoffs, well, then you shouldnt expect us to do that well. They're inconsistent players in terms of output. what we need is a flat out scorer off the bench. who cares if he isnt the greatest defender on the team, we need someone to go and get us buckets when the starters go to the bench. if you're gonna depend on anyone on the current second unit to do that (save for maybe Gerald Green, if he's not taking crazy dumb shots), then we arent getting anywhere near the ECF.

[CroCorvus]

Well, if we don't have a shooting problem, why do they keep talking about it? (to motivate some players? nah)

It dosen't have to be SG of cours, I just suggested an SG because we're stucked at SF with Jae and Jaylen, and this way we move Avery to six spot.

Yeah, Korver or JJ Reddick could solve a part of a problem, meaning in the short-term. What I was thinking was a long-term solution...

[detour]

Shooting guards with >38% 3PT percentage, >40% 2PT percentage and less than 32 minutes per game in 2015-2016:

Player Age Team
Troy Daniels 24 CHO
J.J. Redick 31 LAC
Josh Richardson 22 MIA
E'Twaun Moore 26 CHI
Jerryd Bayless 27 MIL
Brandon Rush 30 GSW
Gary Neal 31 WAS
Alec Burks 24 UTA
Norman Powell 22 TOR
J.R. Smith 30 CLE
Kyle Korver 34 ATL
Allen Crabbe 23 POR
Manu Ginobili 38 SAS
Xavier Munford 23 MEM
C.J. Wilcox 25 LAC
Zach LaVine 20 MIN
Tyreke Evans 26 NOP
Bradley Beal 22 WAS
Anthony Morrow 30 OKC
Jonathon Simmons 26 SAS

Let's eliminate impossible ones (in big team, has big role, too expensive etc.) and change their teams to new teams

Player - Age - New Team - Contract
Troy Daniels 24 MEM 3.4m/3yrs
J.J. Redick 31 LAC 7.4/1yr
Josh Richardson 22 MIA 880k/2yrs
E'Twaun Moore 26 NOP 8.1m/4yrs
Jerryd Bayless 27 MIL 9.4m/3yrs
Gary Neal 31 *waived by WAS*
Norman Powell 22 TOR 880k/2yrs
J.R. Smith 30 *free agent*
Kyle Korver 34 ATL 5.2m/1yr
Xavier Munford 23 LAC 880k/1yr
C.J. Wilcox 25 ORL 1.2m/2yrs
Anthony Morrow 30 OKC 3.5m/1yr
Jonathon Simmons 26 SAS 880k/1yr

As you might have guessed, 880k is the minimum contract.

Source: basketball-reference

[Granath]

It is clear we have had a shooting problem. We are close to dead last in some long distance shooting categories, and that happens with a good coach. Some shooting, especially in the backcourt is needed.

FTFY

It's true that last year the Celtics finished 3rd-to-last in 3 point shooting at 33.5%.

That number rises to 34.15% when you remove Evan Turner and Jared Sullinger. That's your baseline and that puts the Cs at 24th last year. It's not good but it's not quite the same problem as 28th.

So let's look at the current roster. The problem is Marcus Smart. When you remove him the team average goes to 35.4% which is good enough for 13th in the league. So that's the big difference - one young player - in being a below or above average team. I don't see Smart shooting 25.3% again. Or if he does, I don't see him getting the green light to shoot 241 3 pointers again. If Smart raises his average to 33% on 241 attempts which is still below average, the team's percentage increases to 35.1% (14th in the league).

So I don't see a problem. Two of the three biggest problems with the 3 point average are gone. The 3rd is a young player who worked on his shot over the off-season and will hopefully show some significant improvement. I don't see the Cs being the Golden State Warriors but I think they'll be in the middle of the pack on 3 point shooting and that's just fine.

[detour]

It is clear we have had a shooting problem. We are close to dead last in some long distance shooting categories, and that happens with a good coach. Some shooting, especially in the backcourt is needed.

FTFY

It's true that last year the Celtics finished 3rd-to-last in 3 point shooting at 33.5%.

That number rises to 34.15% when you remove Evan Turner and Jared Sullinger. That's your baseline and that puts the Cs at 24th last year. It's not good but it's not quite the same problem as 28th.

So let's look at the current roster. The problem is Marcus Smart. When you remove him the team average goes to 35.4% which is good enough for 13th in the league. So that's the big difference - one young player - in being a below or above average team. I don't see Smart shooting 25.3% again. Or if he does, I don't see him getting the green light to shoot 241 3 pointers again. If Smart raises his average to 33% on 241 attempts which is still below average, the team's percentage increases to 35.1% (14th in the league).

So I don't see a problem. Two of the three biggest problems with the 3 point average are gone. The 3rd is a young player who worked on his shot over the off-season and will hopefully show some significant improvement. I don't see the Cs being the Golden State Warriors but I think they'll be in the middle of the pack on 3 point shooting and that's just fine.

Thanks for the very clear explanation. I accept that it seems things are going to be better this year. I have two concerns:

• While Sullinger lacks the notion of selecting the best shot, Turner took those shots because second unit craved scoring and shooting. Someone else must take them and make them in the second unit: Rozier, Smart, Green, Brown, Jerebko, Olynyk. Rozier and Green must step up, Smart must be a legitimate threat as you suggested, and I hope it will be better than last year.
• Being in the middle of the pack (which is still a possibility not a reality) might not cause much headache in the regular season; but come playoffs, it will be a huge difference maker for our chances.

[TheSlipperyWhistle]

Heraing DA said it and seeing this comment from IT:

“Someone who can put the ball in the basket. A knockdown shooter would be what we need. I’m not saying anything against the guys that are on this team right now, because we have a talented group, but I think that is the most important thing we need. We need spacing, because we got a lot of guys that can create and attack the basket, but we definitely need spacing.”

got me thinking who could we trade for to be our starting SG?

The first name to cross my mind was Devin Booker for the Suns. The kid got it all; shooting, length, got so much potential and upside and it seems he has the right mind setup... now I know hes not there yet, it's a small samplesize because he only played one season, but... what if DA's got crush on him, thinks highly of him as a future all star... would DA trade BKN '17 or '18 pick for him? Would you do it?       

(this of course would be before the trade deadline in february after Booker averages 20 ppg with 40% beyond the arc)

If not trade for him, who you got?

We could trade... nothing... for... Avery Bradley... who's stroke has looked on point from downtown in the preseason. Just Sayin... the kid has improved every year in the league. Avery 4 Prez. You're going to love it, its going to be terrific. ISIS. 

[DrJasper]

Uhhhhm... How about ray allen? He believe he can still play, he might be old but when he's open he'll hit. And in Stevens offence he will get open. Would you welcome him back?

[boscel33]

why not just go get hayward before free agency.  utah must want to get something in return rather than lose him for nothing.

[tankcity!]

Gigi Datome

[alldaboston]

why not just go get hayward before free agency.  utah must want to get something in return rather than lose him for nothing.

we said the same for Horford.

[Granath]

It is clear we have had a shooting problem. We are close to dead last in some long distance shooting categories, and that happens with a good coach. Some shooting, especially in the backcourt is needed.

FTFY

It's true that last year the Celtics finished 3rd-to-last in 3 point shooting at 33.5%.

That number rises to 34.15% when you remove Evan Turner and Jared Sullinger. That's your baseline and that puts the Cs at 24th last year. It's not good but it's not quite the same problem as 28th.

So let's look at the current roster. The problem is Marcus Smart. When you remove him the team average goes to 35.4% which is good enough for 13th in the league. So that's the big difference - one young player - in being a below or above average team. I don't see Smart shooting 25.3% again. Or if he does, I don't see him getting the green light to shoot 241 3 pointers again. If Smart raises his average to 33% on 241 attempts which is still below average, the team's percentage increases to 35.1% (14th in the league).

So I don't see a problem. Two of the three biggest problems with the 3 point average are gone. The 3rd is a young player who worked on his shot over the off-season and will hopefully show some significant improvement. I don't see the Cs being the Golden State Warriors but I think they'll be in the middle of the pack on 3 point shooting and that's just fine.

Thanks for the very clear explanation. I accept that it seems things are going to be better this year. I have two concerns:

• While Sullinger lacks the notion of selecting the best shot, Turner took those shots because second unit craved scoring and shooting. Someone else must take them and make them in the second unit: Rozier, Smart, Green, Brown, Jerebko, Olynyk. Rozier and Green must step up, Smart must be a legitimate threat as you suggested, and I hope it will be better than last year.
• Being in the middle of the pack (which is still a possibility not a reality) might not cause much headache in the regular season; but come playoffs, it will be a huge difference maker for our chances.

I agree with you that someone must take those shots. But Olynyk and Jerebko are 40% shooters. Green is historically a 36% guy. I'm hoping that Rozier and Smart can shoot at a reasonable clip. There are guys on that 2nd unit who can space the floor.

As far as the playoffs go, I'm still expecting a trade-deadline deal if we're in a position to make a deep run. Danny will be able to see what's needed and make the deal at that point. For all we know we already have our knockdown shooters and will need a big man.

[Nails]

The guy I would like to see on this team is Carmelo. He can flat out shoot. My guess is at this point you wouldn't need to give up much to get him. Hunter can shoot that isn't the problem. He can not move at all.

[IDreamCeltics]

The guy I would like to see on this team is Carmelo. He can flat out shoot. My guess is at this point you wouldn't need to give up much to get him. Hunter can shoot that isn't the problem. He can not move at all.

Carmelo has a no trade clause in his contract.