Is Jonas Jerebko expendable this year?

[JBcat]

Simple straight forward question.  Jonas played very well down the stretch for us last year, but we seem even deeper this year with only so many minutes to go around.

Rozier is a good bet to see most of Turner's minutes from last year in a rock solid 4 guard rotation of Thomas, Bradley, Smart, and Rozier.

When Kelly comes back we'll have 3 very solid bigs along with Amir and Al eating up most of the big man minutes.

That probably leaves roughly 15 to 20 or so for a small ball 4, and backup minutes to Crowder at the 3.

Along with Jonas we'll have Green and Brown fighting for these minutes which I'm guessing will be around 30 or so total.  Is that enough for all 3?

It may better to just divide up those minutes between 2 of them, with the other jumping in for spot minutes in case of injury ect. Jonas I think is the safe choice, Brown the higher upside, and Green able to go on a scoring binge.

Would you even consider trading Jonas while you can get something back for him now(maybe even a pick to help clear the roster logjam)?  I don't really see us re-signing Jonas next year as our logjam could be further complicated, but he is nice player to have now in your back pocket.  Maybe if everyone is healthy you just sit him until he is needed.  There is only so many minutes to go around.

[BudweiserCeltic]

He was expendable last year and he's expendable this year.

[Csfan1984]

He was expendable last year and he's expendable this year.

+1

[JBcat]

He was expendable last year and he's expendable this year.

+1

I think I agree.  I mentioned it in a thread about a month ago that maybe we should consider trading him before the season starts while he holds some value.  If he plays I think it will mostly be at the expense of Brown and Green.

[Kuberski33]

Going to disagree.  Hustle guys like JJ help you win regular season games.  He's a solid rotation guy to have until something better comes along. 

Something to keep in mind is with the lack of rebounding on the roster, expect an above average amount of fouls from the bigs.  They're going to need some depth there.  He's am athletic 4 who can get out and run the floor so his skill set fits with the rest of the roster.

Plus he probably has a little bit of trade value so he could be moved if an opportunity comes along.

[ThePaintedArea]

1) Everyone is expendable.

2) Jerebko is a plus on both sides of the ball, excellent three-point shooter, leader on and off the floor, middle linebacker on defense.

3) The contract is VERY favorable to the Celtics.

4) Came through as a starter in the playoffs, stepped into an expanded role and delivered when they needed him to.

Until something better comes along!? He's what, the fifth big?  No, you're not going to do better, especially at that price.

By the way, it looks pretty unlikely that he'll get minutes at small forward.

I'd challenge anyone who wants to replace him to suggest who would be a better option.

[JBcat]

1) Everyone is expendable.

2) Jerebko is a plus on both sides of the ball, excellent three-point shooter, leader on and off the floor, middle linebacker on defense.

3) The contract is VERY favorable to the Celtics.

4) Came through as a starter in the playoffs, stepped into an expanded role and delivered when they needed him to.

Until something better comes along!? He's what, the fifth big?  No, you're not going to do better, especially at that price.

By the way, it looks pretty unlikely that he'll get minutes at small forward.

I'd challenge anyone who wants to replace him to suggest who would be a better option.

Ok, maybe a better question for you is would you rather have Brown as the small ball 4 than Jonas?  Or better yet Crowder might get the small ball 4 minutes with Brown or Green at the 3.  Where does Jonas fit in with Al, Kelly, and Amir locking up the rest of the big man minutes?

What I meant by trading him is for future value with a pick if he isn't going to play much, and you can clear some roster space.

Barring big trades for stars there are many players on our team not expendable for our success this year.

[ThePaintedArea]

1) Everyone is expendable.

2) Jerebko is a plus on both sides of the ball, excellent three-point shooter, leader on and off the floor, middle linebacker on defense.

3) The contract is VERY favorable to the Celtics.

4) Came through as a starter in the playoffs, stepped into an expanded role and delivered when they needed him to.

Until something better comes along!? He's what, the fifth big?  No, you're not going to do better, especially at that price.

By the way, it looks pretty unlikely that he'll get minutes at small forward.

I'd challenge anyone who wants to replace him to suggest who would be a better option.

Ok, maybe a better question for you is would you rather have Brown as the small ball 4 than Jonas?  Or better yet Crowder might get the small ball 4 minutes with Brown or Green at the 3.  Where does Jonas fit in with Al, Kelly, and Amir locking up the rest of the big man minutes?

He's depth that you can count on, at bargain money.  It's a long season.  There's a salary cap.

What I meant by trading him is for future value with a pick if he isn't going to play much, and you can clear some roster space.

Clear roster space for another fifth big?  What's the point if you've already got him?  You are suggesting that they get another draft pick that might become a star at some point in the future, and meanwhile someone else plays his role. 

And what kind of draft pick do you think you could get for Jerebko?

This is not rebuilding anymore, this is going for it.  The goal here is a championship. Why'd they get Gerald Green? Not because he has upside, but because they're going for it, because he's a vet and a known quantity.

Barring big trades for stars there are many players on our team not expendable for our success this year.

Exactly.  Boston almost certainly needs another star or even two in order to contend.  Would you say that Horford or Thomas are top-ten players?  I wouldn't.  Therefore everyone is expendable.

[JBcat]

1) Everyone is expendable.

2) Jerebko is a plus on both sides of the ball, excellent three-point shooter, leader on and off the floor, middle linebacker on defense.

3) The contract is VERY favorable to the Celtics.

4) Came through as a starter in the playoffs, stepped into an expanded role and delivered when they needed him to.

Until something better comes along!? He's what, the fifth big?  No, you're not going to do better, especially at that price.

By the way, it looks pretty unlikely that he'll get minutes at small forward.

I'd challenge anyone who wants to replace him to suggest who would be a better option.

Ok, maybe a better question for you is would you rather have Brown as the small ball 4 than Jonas?  Or better yet Crowder might get the small ball 4 minutes with Brown or Green at the 3.  Where does Jonas fit in with Al, Kelly, and Amir locking up the rest of the big man minutes?

He's depth that you can count on, at bargain money.  It's a long season.  There's a salary cap.

What I meant by trading him is for future value with a pick if he isn't going to play much, and you can clear some roster space.

Clear roster space for another fifth big?  What's the point if you've already got him?  You are suggesting that they get another draft pick that might become a star at some point in the future, and meanwhile someone else plays his role. 

And what kind of draft pick do you think you could get for Jerebko?

This is not rebuilding anymore, this is going for it.  The goal here is a championship. Why'd they get Gerald Green? Not because he has upside, but because they're going for it, because he's a vet and a known quantity.

Barring big trades for stars there are many players on our team not expendable for our success this year.

Exactly.  Boston almost certainly needs another star or even two in order to contend.  Would you say that Horford or Thomas are top-ten players?  I wouldn't.  Therefore everyone is expendable.

I get your point.  With everyone healthy he may be just rotting on the bench but good insurance to have.  Expendable maybe isn't the right question to ask, but if you want him part of the rotation at all.  If he plays it's probably at the expense of Brown or Green.  I personally would rather play Brown even with rookies inconsistencies up and down that could pay off come playoff time, and Green being the more explosive scorer which we need in our second unit. 

[ThePaintedArea]

1) Everyone is expendable.

2) Jerebko is a plus on both sides of the ball, excellent three-point shooter, leader on and off the floor, middle linebacker on defense.

3) The contract is VERY favorable to the Celtics.

4) Came through as a starter in the playoffs, stepped into an expanded role and delivered when they needed him to.

Until something better comes along!? He's what, the fifth big?  No, you're not going to do better, especially at that price.

By the way, it looks pretty unlikely that he'll get minutes at small forward.

I'd challenge anyone who wants to replace him to suggest who would be a better option.

Ok, maybe a better question for you is would you rather have Brown as the small ball 4 than Jonas?  Or better yet Crowder might get the small ball 4 minutes with Brown or Green at the 3.  Where does Jonas fit in with Al, Kelly, and Amir locking up the rest of the big man minutes?

He's depth that you can count on, at bargain money.  It's a long season.  There's a salary cap.

What I meant by trading him is for future value with a pick if he isn't going to play much, and you can clear some roster space.

Clear roster space for another fifth big?  What's the point if you've already got him?  You are suggesting that they get another draft pick that might become a star at some point in the future, and meanwhile someone else plays his role. 

And what kind of draft pick do you think you could get for Jerebko?

This is not rebuilding anymore, this is going for it.  The goal here is a championship. Why'd they get Gerald Green? Not because he has upside, but because they're going for it, because he's a vet and a known quantity.

Barring big trades for stars there are many players on our team not expendable for our success this year.

Exactly.  Boston almost certainly needs another star or even two in order to contend.  Would you say that Horford or Thomas are top-ten players?  I wouldn't.  Therefore everyone is expendable.

I get your point.  With everyone healthy he may be just rotting on the bench but good insurance to have.  Expendable maybe isn't the right question to ask, but if you want him part of the rotation at all.  If he plays it's probably at the expense of Brown or Green.  I personally would rather play Brown even with rookies inconsistencies up and down that could pay off come playoff time, and Green being the more explosive scorer which we need in our second unit.

Insurance, I agree.  But the experiment with him at 3 last year was not at all promising; he's much better as a big - so he's not directly in competition with Green, who is listed at 205 and has no prayer guarding 4's. 

Brown is a different matter, though Jaylen is likely in his rookie year to get the lion's share of his minutes at wing; and it would be extraordinary if he got much more than 1,000 minutes for the regular season total in any case.

Jonas' immediate competition is Crowder and Mickey.

Jerebko is only signed through 2017.  We know that Brad values his work ethic as a model for all the young guys.  He's a tenth man, fifth big - more or less; it's unlikely that he'll be dumped; but he could be part of a deal for a star.

[mgent]

I think Rozier is being showcased.

Stevens seems adamant about making Rozier the 2nd unit's PG and giving him a role on the team, when really Smart's at the point in his development where it'd make more sense to give him the playmaking/ball-handling responsibilities (especially with Kelly coming back to share in that, and Jaylen breaking out) and keep him up towards 30 mpg where he's been his first 2 years.

IT 32 / Smart 16
AB 30 / Smart 14 / Green 4
Crowder 14 / Brown 22 / Green 12
Amir 25 / Crowder 16 / KO 7
Horford 30 / KO 18

That's a full rotation right there, and that's already leaving out Jerebko and Zeller.  That's also only a regular season line-up, in the playoffs the starters play a lot more.

I really like Rozier, but not as much as I like the defensive intensity and size/length of Smart - Green - Brown on the perimeter.  Can't see room for him as a backup guard without stealing minutes that Smart's earned.

I think with Jerebko, Zeller, and Rozier all being expendable, and with Rozier being a valuable prospect on a rookie contract, we can turn that into some sort of favorable trade package.

I guess another option is Brad keeps playing Brown at PF.

IT 32 / Rozier 14 / Smart 2
AB 30 / Smart 18
Crowder 16 / Green 14 / Smart 10 / Brown 8
Johnson 20 / Crowder 14 / Brown 14
Horford 28 / Kelly 20

Or I guess it's possible Brad makes Crowder a full-time 4 and starts Brown.

IT 32 / Rozier 14 / Smart 2
AB 30 / Smart 18
Brown 24 / Green 14 / Smart 10
Crowder 30 / Johnson 18
Horford 28 / KO 20

Any way you look at it, Jerebko is completely expendable, and Rozier is expendable-enough (especially if he comes out hot to start the season).

[Greyman]

I voted 'yes' but only really as part of a deal to bring someone outstanding back. As pointed out by many, he is cheap and brings a lot of useful things to the table. Stevens manages his time well, using him when and where he is most effective.

[saltlover]

He was expendable last year and he's expendable this year.

The thread should have ended here.

[rollie mass]

the way the celtics play defense just raises the specter of multiple injuries
some with serious downtime
isaiah,smart,avery,crowder even rozier at risk
then we have amir and his feet-

[Surferdad]

I think Rozier is being showcased.

Stevens seems adamant about making Rozier the 2nd unit's PG and giving him a role on the team, when really Smart's at the point in his development where it'd make more sense to give him the playmaking/ball-handling responsibilities (especially with Kelly coming back to share in that, and Jaylen breaking out) and keep him up towards 30 mpg where he's been his first 2 years.

IT 32 / Smart 16
AB 30 / Smart 14 / Green 4
Crowder 14 / Brown 22 / Green 12
Amir 25 / Crowder 16 / KO 7
Horford 30 / KO 18
That's a full rotation right there, and that's already leaving out Jerebko and Zeller.  That's also only a regular season line-up, in the playoffs the starters play a lot more.

I really like Rozier, but not as much as I like the defensive intensity and size/length of Smart - Green - Brown on the perimeter.  Can't see room for him as a backup guard without stealing minutes that Smart's earned.

I think with Jerebko, Zeller, and Rozier all being expendable, and with Rozier being a valuable prospect on a rookie contract, we can turn that into some sort of favorable trade package.
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You lost me.  It seems you are trading away Rozier for nothing and just sitting Jerebko and Zeller.  Please clarify.