I hope Ainge doesn't screw up our strength

[walker834]

This team is built completely differently. We aren't going to have KG, Ray and Pierce. We do have the potential to have something different.

[walker834]

I just like the way our team is set up.  Guys like Simmons are going to be playing 30 mpg on really bad teams when healthy.  We have Brown who is going to be developing for us off the bench and an important star level player for the next 15 years.  It's not about numbers either overly.  He'll get his and his role will expand as time goes by. Does that mean Simmons stat stuffing is better?  Not necessarily.

We are basically set for the next 15 years because of him and we could use another piece or whatever but we have Horford and Isaiah and guys like Crowder and Bradley and Smart and so on and so forth.  I think this team can win. We have some kinks to work out.

Stevens is an excellent coach.  We have weapons and he puts them in the right spots.   Much harder to stop 12 guys than 3 is how I look at it. Obviously you need those stars but we are pretty close.  I just hope we are patient and develop our players.

We have a chance to go on a long run here and dynasty.  Different than last time.

Basketball is a war of attrition as much as anything.

Smart to me is a stabalizing force and is going to get better with age and a real weapon defensively.  Brown is a future star.  Plus we already have other pieces and play together and are coming.

[walker834]

It is about stats in that we have to score more points and hold the other team to less but Stevens is a master.  That stuff is in context though.  The rebuild has been masterful so far I hope ainge doesn't mess it up. It's also about talent but we have talent.  Basketball to me the nuances of it from day to day and how this all works out is about growth and how it all fits together.  We can just beat teams with attrition though if we play to our strengths.

Attrition definition just looked it up - the action or process of gradually reducing the strength or effectiveness of someone or something through sustained attack or pressure. 

Go Celtics lol. May the Force be with you.

We are still learning but that's what it should be about ultimately enforcing our will on other teams with our talent.  Tommy Heinsohn gets this.

I don't even mean that in the classic sense.  WE have to play hard but guys do their jobs and play to their strengths.  We have so much depth we can just overwhelm teams with our pressure and just playing a certain way.  It will actually start to come easier but we need to remain focused and keep working and pushing. This team will beat the crap out of GS and Cleveland eventually.  They will be tough and are no joke but we are going to be better than expected.  We have some kinks to work out though.

I think this era will be different than the KG era.  He was that but I more think this team will be that as a team and play with that kind of mindset. KG would do that with his persona and talent level.   Stevens is more going to do something different here but with that spirit.

[Ilikesports17]

Abridged version: Walker834 thinks the Celtics will be really good.

[walker834]

Pretty  much but if we trade Marcus I'll be disapointed in Danny.   Marcus and Brown those two guys really should not be separated.

the jefferson trade i was all for.  This time its different.

[aingeforthree]

Pretty  much but if we trade Marcus I'll be disapointed in Danny.   Marcus and Brown those two guys really should not be separated.

the jefferson trade i was all for.  This time its different.

Depends on the trade though.

I.E. Landing DeAndre Jordan

[walker834]

Wouldn't do it for Smart. For Rozier or next years pick I might.  I honestly dont think it's worth it for Smart.  We are fine without Deandre and having a center like that doesn't necessarily make us that much better.  Where we are going to beat teams is because we are better 1-12.  We can get a center in other ways.  I'd give up Rozier or next years #1 for that maybe but not Smart.  I think he and Brown are really important cogs for now and the future.

Deandre is good but I don't he is worth it.  We are fine.  I would pass.

[walker834]

Thats really part of my point and the mindsets i'm trying to rid the celtics of.  I hope DA doesn't do that.  I don't want to be like every other team that tries to win with their starting 5.  With teams like GS and Lebron out there its going to take a team effort and I hope we don't screw that up.  I think Stevens when he said that I made a post about how he said the league is still going to be about elite talent but its going to take a special team to change the league.  I really think those deals and this mindset of us trading important cogs on our team for a star player need to go.  We have Brown.  We drafted the right guy.  We also have Horford and Isaiah. We also have some of the best cogs around like Crowder who is a defensive beast when he's healthy and Smart.  Those guys are really important to this team.  Same with AB. I think KO is too.

I never agreed with those mindsets and it's the internet.  It's always that we are trying to get so and so and would trade our entire team and what we've been building for that.  I disagree.

[aingeforthree]

Wouldn't do it for Smart. For Rozier or next years pick I might.  I honestly dont think it's worth it for Smart.  We are fine without Deandre and having a center like that doesn't necessarily make us that much better.  Where we are going to beat teams is because we are better 1-12.  We can get a center in other ways.  I'd give up Rozier or next years #1 for that maybe but not Smart.  I think he and Brown are really important cogs for now and the future.

Deandre is good but I don't he is worth it.  We are fine.  I would pass.

Not worth it ? It's tough to find a legit 5-man in the league. Jordan is all star level talent, one of the best centers in the league. That's the type of prize you're looking for.

[aingeforthree]

Thats really part of my point and the mindsets i'm trying to rid the celtics of.  I hope DA doesn't do that.  I don't want to be like every other team that tries to win with their starting 5.  With teams like GS and Lebron out there its going to take a team effort and I hope we don't screw that up.  I think Stevens when he said that I made a post about how he said the league is still going to be about elite talent but its going to take a special team to change the league.  I really think those deals and this mindset of us trading important cogs on our team for a star player need to go.  We have Brown.  We drafted the right guy.  We also have Horford and Isaiah. We also have some of the best cogs around like Crowder who is a defensive beast when he's healthy and Smart.  Those guys are really important to this team.  Same with AB. I think KO is too.

I never agreed with those mindsets and it's the internet.  It's always that we are trying to get so and so and would trade our entire team and what we've been building for that.  I disagree.

Fortunately for you, and because of your GM, you're still setup to make moves after you get that stud starting 5. It's not like your hands are tied after one move.

You have free agency, more picks, a ton of youth...it's wide open

[walker834]

I think the internet and the general consensus just panders that way and it sells papers.  We aren't doing that.

I would make a trade for the right piece but not everyone on our team is trade bait at this point.

It's more a process and certain guys may be moved as they age and the young guys come up but even still.

Simmons also isn't better than Jaylen Brown.   Jaylen Brown can be just as good for us if not better. They are both rookies at this point.  One is hurt and isn't even playing.

We stole Jaylen with the 3rd pick. He's going to play and we need room to be able to do that.

[walker834]

Marcus is an unbelievable defender who makes game winning plays.  He made a huge one last night and almost hit the shot as well.  He makes game winning plays.  He might not be the star jaylen is but he does so many things if you watch the games.  His offense is still coming and he's a leader on this team.

Rozier is really being asked to be the guy to set the tone with the second unit and just go which is fine but Marcus is like the ying to his yang. Rozier is going to have his ups and downs this year.

Marcus was the guy you could see getting on hunter when he was missing shots.  Marcus is a leader.

I can see Ainge thinking Marcus needs to start somewhere and lead a young team and trade him and I hope he doesnt do that where we get our center.  He can lead our second unit as the first guy off the bench and jaylen can get time too over Amir and Crowder and Bradley need to rest anyways. So do our starters at times.

[aingeforthree]

I think the internet and the general consensus just panders that way and it sells papers.  We aren't doing that.

I would make a trade for the right piece but not everyone on our team is trade bait at this point.

It's more a process and certain guys may be moved as they age and the young guys come up but even still.

Simmons also isn't better than Jaylen Brown.   Jaylen Brown can be just as good for us if not better. They are both rookies at this point.  One is hurt and isn't even playing.

We stole Jaylen with the 3rd pick. He's going to play and we need room to be able to do that.

That's why I think Crowder is on the table. Package him up for a big to put next to Horford, & then see if Brown can do the job.

You also have a good free agent class this upcoming year. You know they'll be in on Gordon Hayward. Let Hayward take Crowders minutes if Brown isn't ready to go yet.

I don't believe Smart will be traded. Valuable, & you won't get market value for him. At least not yet.

[walker834]

I don't think crowder will be here forever.  I agree with that.  I don't think he is on the table though. He's too important right now with our starting unit.  He'll be here for the next 2 or 3 years. Jaylen will take over and smart eventually I think though.

I can see Ainge trading smart thinking we have crowder which scares me. Crowder is a defensive beast but isn't going to last forever.

Having both those guys is really the staple of our defense right now. It makes us dominant on the wings that way where we can gobble up lebron and gs.  We need both guys.

Bradley and Rozier are good defenders too. Even Isaiah but they are more pesky. Crowder and Smart and Jaylen are physical.  So is Jerebko as a fill in he fills the gaps on defense well.

[aingeforthree]

I don't think crowder will be here forever.  I agree with that.  I don't think he is on the table though. He's too important right now with our starting unit.  He'll be here for the next 2 or 3 years. Jaylen will take over and smart eventually I think though.

Could be. Might be too valuable to let him go when he can mentor Brown. Maybe it's Rozier or Bradley on the move. Who knows