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« on: September 20, 2016, 09:10:01 PM »

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These aren't set in stone and Stevens is good at  playing the best guys and adapting to that.  Just messing around with nba 2k and they have Brown, Smart and KO as the 3 main guys off the bench though. With Jerebko as the 4th guy.  I more see Stevens using both Jerebko and Green and switching off as far as a vet offense or defense.  Zeller is kind of that extra big man and Rozier is that extra guard right now.  I like that Smart and Brown and KO are the 3 main guys to go with Isaiah, Bradley, Crowder, Amir and Horford though and being given consistant time.  I think they are our most talented guys on the bench.
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« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 02:07:51 AM »

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C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

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« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2016, 07:16:17 AM »

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We have no idea how much Stevens will use Brown.  Heck training camp hasn't even started so we don't even know if he will impress Stevens as ready for significant NBA minutes.

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Zeller is kind of that extra big man and Rozier is that extra guard right now. 
I agree with this especially for Zeller.  Rozier had a nice SL but I'm not sure how far that will go for Stevens.  Certainly IT, Bradley, Smart are ahead of him.
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« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 07:49:40 AM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 02:07:51 AM
C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

I think you're severely underestimating what Jerebko's role should and will be on this team.
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« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 08:15:33 AM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 02:07:51 AM
C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

I've seen similar depth charts from other posters before, people seem too high on Gerald Green to me.

Dude was behind 2 rookies in the Heat rotation last year in Justice Winslow and Josh Richardson (a 2nd round pick), and was playing only 9mpg and even getting DNPs come the playoffs.  If he ends up ahead of Brown in the rotation or in minutes I'll be shocked.  I really think Green is this years David Lee or another Tyler Zeller.

Sure he may start out at the beginning of the season getting 20mpg behind Crowder while Brown adjusts and learns the ropes and Brad tinkers with the lineups, but if he's still ahead of Brown come December/January, I'll be shocked.
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« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 08:18:04 AM »

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IT (36) / Smart (12)
AB (30) / Smart (18 )
Crowder (14) / Jerebko (20) / Green (14)
KO (25) / Crowder (16) / AJ (7)
Horford (30) / AJ (18 )

That assumes Brad plays ~16 minutes of small ball a game.  In reality, no one knows how much of it he will play, but the rotation will depend on that so it's kind of hard to say.

Also that assumes Rozier and Brown aren't good enough yet or haven't shown enough to earn Green's minutes.

Not sure whether AJ starts at PF or KO does, but I think most of his minutes will be at C, leading the 2nd unit's defense.
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« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 08:50:12 AM »

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According to basketball-reference, Jerebko has spent 5% of his time in Boston as a SF, 76% as a PF, and 19% as a Center in the regular season, and 3%/49%/48% in the playoffs.  For his entire career he's only played SF 4% of the time. 

Personally surprised at the C part, but then I see that Jerebko/Crowder/Turner/Smart/Thomas was the 3rd most used lineup in the playoffs.

But why is everyone putting him at SF? Well probably because he shoots 3's and never posts up, and also because he looks more like an NBA 6'8" than his listed 6'10" to me, and also because of how Brad Stevens breaks down the lineup between swings and bigs, and Jonas is definitely more swing than big, but he really only fits in that 4 part of the swing position. Regardless, I think we should stop putting him as a SF in our proposed depth charts.
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« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 09:18:47 AM »

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Quote from: mgent on September 21, 2016, 08:18:04 AM
IT (36) / Smart (12)
AB (30) / Smart (18 )
Crowder (14) / Jerebko (20) / Green (14)
KO (25) / Crowder (16) / AJ (7)
Horford (30) / AJ (18 )

That assumes Brad plays ~16 minutes of small ball a game.  In reality, no one knows how much of it he will play, but the rotation will depend on that so it's kind of hard to say.

Also that assumes Rozier and Brown aren't good enough yet or haven't shown enough to earn Green's minutes.

Not sure whether AJ starts at PF or KO does, but I think most of his minutes will be at C, leading the 2nd unit's defense.

I definitely like something like this better than some of the other posts that had guys like Rozier getting 4 minutes per game. If we're really looking to compete this year, we should be playing our best players the most amount of minutes (within reason).  I think giving fringe guys a few minutes here and there really accomplishes little, since they can't really get into the flow of the game.
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« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 11:17:22 AM »

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Quote from: Celtic Fan Forever on September 21, 2016, 07:49:40 AM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 02:07:51 AM
C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

I think you're severely underestimating what Jerebko's role should and will be on this team.
I'm pretty much giving him the same role he had last year. 13 vs 15 mins per game and dnps. I like Jerkebo but minutes are limited.
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« Reply #9 on: September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM »

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Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 08:15:33 AM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 02:07:51 AM
C's strength the last two years is depth I expect a mixed rotation. If KO starts the rotation may actually work out better as AJ is more PF capable. Minutes() should be with current roster

PG- IT (30), Smart (14), Rozier (4)
SG- AB (30), Smart (12), Brown (6)
SF- Crowder (28), Green (15), Brown/JJ (5)
PF- Hordford (28), AJ (12), JJ/Mickey (8 ),
C- KO (26), AJ (12), Zeller (10)

I've seen similar depth charts from other posters before, people seem too high on Gerald Green to me.

Dude was behind 2 rookies in the Heat rotation last year in Justice Winslow and Josh Richardson (a 2nd round pick), and was playing only 9mpg and even getting DNPs come the playoffs.  If he ends up ahead of Brown in the rotation or in minutes I'll be shocked.  I really think Green is this years David Lee or another Tyler Zeller.

Sure he may start out at the beginning of the season getting 20mpg behind Crowder while Brown adjusts and learns the ropes and Brad tinkers with the lineups, but if he's still ahead of Brown come December/January, I'll be shocked.
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.
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« Reply #10 on: September 21, 2016, 12:48:48 PM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Even James Young has spent more time in the NBA than the D-League.

And you think the #3 pick in the draft is going to spend the most of the year in the D-League?  The most notorious case of a top pick getting sent to the D-League is Hasheem Thabeet, and he only spent 6 games in the D-League his rookie year!  This is just not going to happen.
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« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2016, 01:03:45 PM »

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Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Even James Young has spent more time in the NBA than the D-League.

And you think the #3 pick in the draft is going to spend the most of the year in the D-League?  The most notorious case of a top pick getting sent to the D-League is Hasheem Thabeet, and he only spent 6 games in the D-League his rookie year!  This is just not going to happen.
That is the old perception the league doesn't want any more. The dleague isn't because you suck. It's to get playing time and work on your game. Brown is just 19 and this is a team fighting for the playoffs not exactly a place to get minutes. Brown should spend 3/4 of the year down there unless he obliterates the competition.
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 01:17:03 PM »

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Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Even James Young has spent more time in the NBA than the D-League.

And you think the #3 pick in the draft is going to spend the most of the year in the D-League?  The most notorious case of a top pick getting sent to the D-League is Hasheem Thabeet, and he only spent 6 games in the D-League his rookie year!  This is just not going to happen.
That is the old perception the league doesn't want any more. The dleague isn't because you suck. It's to get playing time and work on your game. Brown is just 19 and this is a team fighting for the playoffs not exactly a place to get minutes. Brown should spend 3/4 of the year down there unless he obliterates the competition.

So this must be a new trend about to start just this year, because last year even James Young (14 games), Terry Rozier (14 games), and RJ Hunter (8 games) spent minimal time in the D-League.
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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 01:52:16 PM »

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Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Yeah but most top 5 picks don't end up on 50+ win playoff teams.   We have a deep rotation of real players.  Also, this draft was widely considered weak outside of that top 2 picks and Brown is considered as raw as they come.  It wouldn't be too surprising if he struggled tremendously and found himself in D League.   I already think it will take a small miracle for him to shoot over 40% this season. His defense looks like it needs work.  If he can't make a contribution on either end, d-league might be an option.

Jaylen in Boston could be a similar situation to Darko Milicic.  That was a serious Pistons team that didn't have time for teenagers.  In retrospect, Darko probably should have spent time in D-League.  I remember reading that part of the reason that didn't happen is because the D-League was still so new and also Darko was a foreign player and there might have been some agreement that if he decided to come to the United States (as opposed to playing in Europe), they would agree to keep him in the NBA and not assign him to a developmental league.  Not sure if that's true or not.  But that wouldn't be something preventing us from assigning Jaylen to D-league.

That said, long term I think brown can be special.  I also wouldn't be too shocked to see him stick around and get force-fed minutes.  He needs to practice with these guys and get reps against them in order to develop so I'd rather he warm a bench in the NBA than continue plowing through semi-pros in the children's league.
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Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 01:17:03 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 01:03:45 PM
Quote from: bdm860 on September 21, 2016, 12:48:48 PM
Quote from: Csfan1984 on September 21, 2016, 11:22:27 AM
I think most the year Brown is in the dleague.

It's already a very small list of 1st rounders who spend significant time in the D-League their rookie years.  The list is basically non-existent for top-10 and top-5 picks.

Even James Young has spent more time in the NBA than the D-League.

And you think the #3 pick in the draft is going to spend the most of the year in the D-League?  The most notorious case of a top pick getting sent to the D-League is Hasheem Thabeet, and he only spent 6 games in the D-League his rookie year!  This is just not going to happen.
That is the old perception the league doesn't want any more. The dleague isn't because you suck. It's to get playing time and work on your game. Brown is just 19 and this is a team fighting for the playoffs not exactly a place to get minutes. Brown should spend 3/4 of the year down there unless he obliterates the competition.

So this must be a new trend about to start just this year, because last year even James Young (14 games), Terry Rozier (14 games), and RJ Hunter (8 games) spent minimal time in the D-League.
I know you meant it in jest but it is a new trend. It's trending to more dleague games for rookies across the league. Especially younger ones on playoff teams.
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