What would you give up for DeAndre Jordan? Would you give up Jaylen Brown?

[chambers]

Getting Jordan would give us arguably, the best defense in the NBA.

I think Jordan is an extremely valuable player ala Ben Wallace for the great recent Pistons team.

So what would you give up for him?
I think many people, including me, would give up Jaylen Brown to get a freshly signed DeAndre Jordan.

I saw one discussion on another celtics forum where some were arguing that the Brooklyn pick would be in play for DJ, especially if the Nets look better than they are touted so I put that as an option.

Personally I wouldn't give up the Brooklyn pick but it would be interesting to see if anyone would. I think that Brooklyn pick only goes out for a top 7 or 8 NBA player.
The real debate is between who would give up Jaylen Brown for Jordan.
Why or why not?

[slamtheking]

Getting Jordan would give us arguably, the best defense in the NBA.

I think Jordan is an extremely valuable player ala Ben Wallace for the great recent Pistons team.

So what would you give up for him?
I think many people, including me, would give up Jaylen Brown to get a freshly signed DeAndre Jordan.

I saw one discussion on another celtics forum where some were arguing that the Brooklyn pick would be in play for DJ, especially if the Nets look better than they are touted so I put that as an option.

Personally I wouldn't give up the Brooklyn pick but it would be interesting to see if anyone would. I think that Brooklyn pick only goes out for a top 7 or 8 NBA player.
The real debate is between who would give up Jaylen Brown for Jordan.
Why or why not?

not sure what you qualify as 'many people' but I suspect it's really not that many.

Brown offers top wing defense and the ability to drive to the hoop to score and draw fouls.  DJ would help the front court depth for us but his offense is pretty limited.  Not sure we need to sacrifice more offensive potential for yet another primarily-defensive player. 

[CoachBo]

Since Brown hasn't demonstrated a thing yet against top-flight competition, I think I'll tap the brakes on declaring him a finished product.

Fascinating how much wishful thinking - for his talent and for Danny Ainge to be right - dominates people's evaluations of this very, very flawed project.

So at this point, you bet I would trade him for DeAndre Jordan.

With a broad smile on my face. Let Doc teach Brown how to shoot.

[moiso]

Since Brown hasn't demonstrated a thing yet against top-flight competition, I think I'll tap the brakes on declaring him a finished product.

Fascinating how much wishful thinking - for his talent and for Danny Ainge to be right - dominates people's evaluations of this very, very flawed project.

So at this point, you bet I would trade him for DeAndre Jordan.

With a broad smile on my face. Let Doc teach Brown how to shoot.

And let Stevens teach Jordan to shoot.

[slamtheking]

Since Brown hasn't demonstrated a thing yet against top-flight competition, I think I'll tap the brakes on declaring him a finished product.

Fascinating how much wishful thinking - for his talent and for Danny Ainge to be right - dominates people's evaluations of this very, very flawed project.

So at this point, you bet I would trade him for DeAndre Jordan.

With a broad smile on my face. Let Doc teach Brown how to shoot.

thank you disciple of Ted Stepien

[Moranis]

I voted Brown, but if it was the 2018 Brooklyn pick, I'd probably do that one as well.  Certainly not the 2017 Brooklyn pick.  Of course, none of those things would interest LAC as they are clearly in win now mode, so for a trade like this to happen there would have to be a 3rd team with that team providing LA players and Boston's assets going to it. 

[Big333223]

I'd rather seen what we've got in Brown, first. If he can develop a serviceable 3 point shot and his work ethic is as advertised, he has perenial all star potential.

[greece66]

I feel like now is the time for waiting as  Big333223 suggests. Our FO (let alone the Clips) cannot know for sure what Brown's value is. The best time to have made such a trade was before draft night, now it seems unlikely.

Second, as Who suggested in the other thread, DeAndre is not a good fit with Horford.

Third, both we and the Clips are over the salary cap- we have to match salaries.

Fourth, why is everyone so sure that 2017 Brooklyn pick > Brown ?

What if the Brooklyn pick ends up 5th or 6th? Again, if you remember last year, other teams were reluctant to discuss trades until the draft order was determined.

All in all, I find this trade very unlikely to happen whether it involves Brown and/or the Brooklyn pick.

[SHAQATTACK]

Give me one year t think about it .....

I think the answer will yes.

[Surferdad]

On behalf of the Neither vote, Jordan is a complementary player and playing with a team of all stars he looks great.  His teammates on the C's would be considerably less talented. I don't think you get to a championship with this trade, still need other big stars.

[ThePaintedArea]

I feel like now is the time for waiting as  Big333223 suggests.

I agree.  Let the Big Sort begin. The roster is reaching critical mass.

Our FO (let alone the Clips) cannot know for sure what Brown's value is.

They're very certain of his market value - no doubt about that. But I think you mean his ceiling. As for that, the Boston FO places a high value on him - no doubt about that either. He's 19, on a rookie contract for some time, and has all-star upside.

The best time to have made such a trade was before draft night, now it seems unlikely.

Yes, unlikely. Given what he showed in Summer League play, a high level of return is available; but by the same token Boston is not likely to give him up without some pretty spectacular return.

Second, as Who suggested in the other thread, DeAndre is not a good fit with Horford.

That I don't get, and Who didn't offer any reasoning as to why he thought so. Horford is very versatile;  Stevens told Chris Mannix that they could pair him with any of the other bigs. Hard to see how that would change with Jordan.

Fourth, why is everyone so sure that 2017 Brooklyn pick > Brown

Good point.  Part of that is clearly that Brown has not won everyone over yet. Partly it's because, probably, that the grass always looks greener on the other side of the NBA lottery hill.

All in all, I find this trade very unlikely to happen whether it involves Brown and/or the Brooklyn pick.

Approaching zero, I'd say.

[crimson_stallion]

The Brooklyn Pick.  Jaylen Brown.

Take either one, just not both.

You'd have to have a HELL of a lot of confidence with that Brooklyn pick to turn down a trade for a guy of DJ's talent.  I've seen enough high picks fail in the past to convince myself that a proven star is more valuable then a hopeful one.

Basically history shows that getting the #1 pick is the only way to come even CLOSE to a sure thing in the NBA Draft.  If you do get #1 you have a pretty good chance (probably 70%-80% chance I would say) of getting a guy who is at least starter quality.  Once you go beyond the #1 pick your probability of getting a dud player jumps significantly.

There is no way at all to guarantee yourself a #1 pick (since even the worst team rarely gets pick #1 in the lottery) that makes the draft too darn risk for my taste.  If you have no other options then by all means you are thrilled to take that pick, but if I'm offered a legit star in return for that pick...I'll take it every time.

Only exception is if the lottery 'dice' has already been rolled, and you know for 100% certain that you have the #1 pick.  Then the cost, of course, goes up.

[dreamgreen]

A one dimensional player that is at the defensive end would not be a big step for this team. Still need shooting and a scorer. I like DJ a lot but that move doesn't help us beat Cleveland at all. He's on a stacked team right now and they have a hard time getting out of the first round. I'd rather pay a lot less for someone like Noel.

[Clench123]

Since Brown hasn't demonstrated a thing yet against top-flight competition, I think I'll tap the brakes on declaring him a finished product.

Fascinating how much wishful thinking - for his talent and for Danny Ainge to be right - dominates people's evaluations of this very, very flawed project.

So at this point, you bet I would trade him for DeAndre Jordan.

With a broad smile on my face. Let Doc teach Brown how to shoot.

*Click on thread.  Look around.  Found this.  Felt like there's no more to be said.  Give TP.  Exit*

[Surferdad]

A one dimensional player that is at the defensive end would not be a big step for this team. Still need shooting and a scorer. I like DJ a lot but that move doesn't help us beat Cleveland at all. He's on a stacked team right now and they have a hard time getting out of the first round. I'd rather pay a lot less for someone like Noel.

TP.  Almost the exact thing I said 3 posts up, but the stacked team he is on right now is Team USA.  They are making him look good.  However, even the Clips are far more stacked than the Celtics and they have not won anything.