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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #255 on: August 18, 2016, 12:05:11 AM »

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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #256 on: August 18, 2016, 12:25:29 AM »

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Thesixersense.com has an article today saying the team needs to trade Noel.

http://thesixersense.com/2016/08/15/the-philadelphia-76ers-need-to-get-rid-of-nerlens-noel/

The two trade options they offer:

#1 - Noel for Marcus Smart and Boston's 2017 1st (which Boston can't actually do since they can't trade their own 2017 1st)

#2 - Noel for Avery Bradley
I'm pretty into Nerlens Noel and I never do either of those deals. Is there anyone on this board that would do either of those?

Two really terrible trades.

I think I'd prefer either one of those to the one LarBrd33 is hinting at.

Fixed it for you.

I can't even keep up with what Larbrd is trying to say on this one.

LB is playing Tom Hanks in his imaginary world of The DaVinci Code where he thinks he's close to unlocking the mysteries of Noel's tweet.
"Close".  Heh.

It is what it is: 



I'll leave the "overreacting" in the "Nerlens Noel Twitter Overreaction Thread" to you guys.  I'm merely the messenger.

Oh wow, you did it! Awesome job! You must be so proud of yourself. It's probably really hard to photoshop Noel's original tweet and pass it on here as it was the original one. Between your posts here, the posts on the Sixers site we all know you frequent, and the photoshopping escapades your busy schedule is now completely booked.
Eddie, you know there are 15 members on this forum with more posts than me, right?  I've been here since like 2003 or something.   I average about 5 posts per day, which seems high until you realize that guys like Phosita average twice as much (10.3 posts per day) and guys like jpotter33 averages three times as much (16.6 posts per day). 

If it seems like I have more At-Bats than I do, it's because I exclusively hit Home Dingers.

Also, if you watch the video of my keen detective work, you'll see that I show exactly what I did step-by-step in real time:  https://youtu.be/4jSNLqAoQaE ... I literally download the image into my default OSX downloads folder, I literally tab over to that folder, open the image, and show that there's the hidden message.  It is what it is... So perhaps spare us the wild conspiracy theories.  It's blatantly obvious Noel is trying to make some kind of point via his twitter profile.   It's not a coincidence that he removed his Philly banner, changed his profile pic to a black image with a hidden message, tweeted about loving Boston, and then later changed his profile pic to a cryptic movie still after I exposed his hidden message.  Let's dispel once and for all with this fiction that Nerlens Noel doesn’t know what he’s doing. He knows exactly what he's doing.

Creeper!  :P That seems like a lot of posts per day, but I think it's somewhat skewed by the game threads, which many of us regulars will post in like 30+ times per game.

On a more serious note, I wish someone beyond LarBrd33 could verify this as true or not. This seems like overkill and way too convoluted for trolling, even for LarBrd33; however, I still don't quite trust him enough to fully believe that he didn't just go the extra mile with this troll attempt. Lol
Listen, whether you believe me or not... This notion that Nerlens Noel doesn’t know what he’s doing is just not true. He knows exactly what he’s doing.   You don't post your first tweet in a month about Boston, remove the 76ers images from your header and avatar, change the profile text to #BostonStrong and "CURRENT" 76er, make your profile pic a black box (with or without the hidden message)... and then a couple days later change your profile pic to a still from "Paid in Full" where the character is saying "Real men handles their business".   He's obviously making a statement and/or trolling us.

I think anyone who believes that Nerlens Noel isn’t doing what he’s doing on purpose doesn’t understand what we’re dealing with here. Okay?

Okay Marco Rubio.

Edit: LarBrd, why dont you analyze his banner pic too then? See if you can find a hidden message for us in there? and make a video on it too haha
I actually did.  I couldn't find anything in it.  It seems like a generic black banner.   But FWIW, a day after my video went viral, someone pointed out that the avatar was now a different size from the one I downloaded.  It's possible that Noel had replaced the black avatar with one that didn't have the hidden message.   Then a day later, he changed his avatar again to the one that has the still image from "Paid in Full".   Looks like Noel is having a lot of fun at our expense... or he's screaming out in silence and dropping blatant hints about what's going on behind the scenes. 

So, was it when you did that little zoom in Photoshop, when you cut the tape?   C'mon Bird, we're all friends here, you can tell us.   I mean, you did already get your 6000 YouTube hits

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #257 on: August 18, 2016, 12:26:36 AM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #258 on: August 18, 2016, 12:33:51 AM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

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The offer Philly at draft night (as reported on TV) was better than that: it included two first rounders and Covington iirc. And they repeated a similar offer to Minny. Noel is simply not good enough to be the best asset in a trade for a top-5 pick.

No one would even consider trading Brown for a one year rental of Noel at this stage. This is poppycock.

Having said this, I'm all into continuing commenting in this thread to see how long it can possibly get.

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #259 on: August 18, 2016, 12:34:33 AM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

Mike

Maybe Philly wanted to keep Noel over Okafor?   If you recall, that's who all the chatter during the draft was around.  Guessing Ainge wouldn't have wanted him if he thought he could get Horford.

Still.  Jaylen does seem like a pure Brad pick.  Highly doubt he's traded. 

I'd offer, at most, Rozier + three non BKL firsts.   That seems fair, to me at least.   I'm sure Philly wants either Smart or Bradley or a BKL pick, leaving Ainge content to walk away.   Hard to make a deal like this within the division....

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #260 on: August 18, 2016, 01:07:03 AM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

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That's exactly like asking why the Cavs were willing to trade Wiggins in late August when they weren't willing to trade the #1 pick in June.   There's several reasons.  Circumstances changed.  All options were weighed.  Above all, they knew there was no rush to trade away the pick on draft night. 

It's a similar situation here.  Everyone unanimously agrees Ainge tried like hell to move the draft pick leading up to and on draft night.  He was swinging for the fences.  We "reached" for Brown, but I think it was a solid pick.  Brown gave us the most flexibility heading forward.  He's 19 years old, has potential, and plays a position we aren't already overloaded at.  That means, if we keep him, he's probably not contributing to an already problematic depth chart at the guard position.  Selecting Brown was as much about retaining leverage as anything.  Had we taken another point guard like Dunn, that wouldn't have put us in the greatest negotiation position.  Desperately trying to clear up a guard log jam is no different than Philly desperately trying to clear up a big man log jam.   The Brown pick made sense for a number of reasons.

That said, that pick was obviously available and Brown did absolutely nothing in Summer League that would make him untouchable.  Long-term, he might be great.  Short-term he might struggle to make any impact at all.   You have to assume he's available for the right player or package.  Whether that's someone like Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, etc I don't know.  But there's no way that chip was taken off the table over the last two months.  There's also some cap logic to it.  Taking on Noel + Covington + two more 1st rounders would have made freeing up cap space for Horford + Durant pretty impossible.  We'd have Noel and Covington on the books and we'd be trying to convince four different 1st rounders to play overseas this year.   What might have made no sense for this team in late June might be Ainge's best option in late August.  Like everyone else, I hope Noel is just goofing off or perhaps there's a lot more to the trade than he's letting on.   Ainge has admitted we "aren't done" and it seems to me the team would still very much like to free up a handful of roster spots.  So maybe if it's some kind of bigger deal where it's Brown + Rozier + Young + Hunter for Noel and the Lakers pick, it would be mutually beneficial and allow the team to sign a couple additional players like Ray Allen, Larry Sanders, etc. Who knows. 

There was far more uncertainty on draft night.   We now know the landscape of the NBA better.  We see that Golden State is in control.   We've added Al Horford and probably want solidify our team with him on board and add complimentary pieces.   Evan Turner is now officially gone.  Terry Rozier is showed signs that suggest he might need minutes.   We've added Gerald Green who should hopefully be a big offensive punch off the bench at SF.   Westbrook has extended.   Blake Griffin seems off the table.   Jimmy Butler is probably off the table.  We have more intel right now.  I'm not at all saying this means Noel is the option we're settling on, but it could mean we might shift all our focus to Cousins, or Rudy Gay, or Jabari Parker, or whoever.  A lot has changed in the past two months.  Our options with the pick (Brown) are more clear.

Until the Celtics say the roster is locked in, I guess we have to stay on our toes.  And until Philly resolves their big man log jam, we have to keep our ears to the ground... especially considering how clear it is that Boston has has interest in grabbing one of them.   Nobody really knows what's going on with Noel's twitter.  Maybe he was hacked.  Maybe the rumors are true and he's just very immature and is having a laugh.  But there's definitely something going on and it all has to do with Boston.  Everyone should be on high alert right now.   I'm literally shaking.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #261 on: August 18, 2016, 06:05:24 AM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

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That's exactly like asking why the Cavs were willing to trade Wiggins in late August when they weren't willing to trade the #1 pick in June.   There's several reasons.  Circumstances changed.  All options were weighed.  Above all, they knew there was no rush to trade away the pick on draft night. 

It's a similar situation here.  Everyone unanimously agrees Ainge tried like hell to move the draft pick leading up to and on draft night.  He was swinging for the fences.  We "reached" for Brown, but I think it was a solid pick.  Brown gave us the most flexibility heading forward.  He's 19 years old, has potential, and plays a position we aren't already overloaded at.  That means, if we keep him, he's probably not contributing to an already problematic depth chart at the guard position.  Selecting Brown was as much about retaining leverage as anything.  Had we taken another point guard like Dunn, that wouldn't have put us in the greatest negotiation position.  Desperately trying to clear up a guard log jam is no different than Philly desperately trying to clear up a big man log jam.   The Brown pick made sense for a number of reasons.

That said, that pick was obviously available and Brown did absolutely nothing in Summer League that would make him untouchable.  Long-term, he might be great.  Short-term he might struggle to make any impact at all.   You have to assume he's available for the right player or package.  Whether that's someone like Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, etc I don't know.  But there's no way that chip was taken off the table over the last two months.  There's also some cap logic to it.  Taking on Noel + Covington + two more 1st rounders would have made freeing up cap space for Horford + Durant pretty impossible.  We'd have Noel and Covington on the books and we'd be trying to convince four different 1st rounders to play overseas this year.   What might have made no sense for this team in late June might be Ainge's best option in late August.  Like everyone else, I hope Noel is just goofing off or perhaps there's a lot more to the trade than he's letting on.   Ainge has admitted we "aren't done" and it seems to me the team would still very much like to free up a handful of roster spots.  So maybe if it's some kind of bigger deal where it's Brown + Rozier + Young + Hunter for Noel and the Lakers pick, it would be mutually beneficial and allow the team to sign a couple additional players like Ray Allen, Larry Sanders, etc. Who knows. 

There was far more uncertainty on draft night.   We now know the landscape of the NBA better.  We see that Golden State is in control.   We've added Al Horford and probably want solidify our team with him on board and add complimentary pieces.   Evan Turner is now officially gone.  Terry Rozier is showed signs that suggest he might need minutes.   We've added Gerald Green who should hopefully be a big offensive punch off the bench at SF.   Westbrook has extended.   Blake Griffin seems off the table.   Jimmy Butler is probably off the table.  We have more intel right now.  I'm not at all saying this means Noel is the option we're settling on, but it could mean we might shift all our focus to Cousins, or Rudy Gay, or Jabari Parker, or whoever.  A lot has changed in the past two months.  Our options with the pick (Brown) are more clear.

Until the Celtics say the roster is locked in, I guess we have to stay on our toes.  And until Philly resolves their big man log jam, we have to keep our ears to the ground... especially considering how clear it is that Boston has has interest in grabbing one of them.   Nobody really knows what's going on with Noel's twitter.  Maybe he was hacked.  Maybe the rumors are true and he's just very immature and is having a laugh.  But there's definitely something going on and it all has to do with Boston.  Everyone should be on high alert right now.   I'm literally shaking.

Really? You might want to seek medical attention.

 I'd hate to see how you'd get if he were actually good. Or at the very least, if he were able to actually catch the ball consistently and have at least one offensive move.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #262 on: August 18, 2016, 07:48:38 AM »

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Figured I would open a line of thought should we land Noel relatively cheaply. If you have IT/Smart/Rozier handling the ball, Horford doing most of the post play, and any two from Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Greeen or Jerebko lurking on the wing on a  given 5 man unit with Noel. How much does Noel really have to do to be + offensively? He could get by just setting brick wall screens and rolling to the basket like a freight train right?
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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #263 on: August 18, 2016, 08:45:45 AM »

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Figured I would open a line of thought should we land Noel relatively cheaply. If you have IT/Smart/Rozier handling the ball, Horford doing most of the post play, and any two from Bradley, Crowder, Brown, Greeen or Jerebko lurking on the wing on a  given 5 man unit with Noel. How much does Noel really have to do to be + offensively? He could get by just setting brick wall screens and rolling to the basket like a freight train right?
I think it could work, but the other 4 guys all have to be a real threat to score.  Noel gets the garbage pail shots, putbacks etc.

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #264 on: August 18, 2016, 11:47:17 AM »

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I see all this talk about Noel being a defensive powerhouse etc

If you see his numbers per 36 mins they are very close to those of Amir (with the diff that Amir has a much better FG%)

First remark, how is Noel supposed to fill a hole in our roster when we already have a player who does most of what Noel does in the defensive end.

Second remark, No, this is not worth a #3 pick.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=johnsam01&p2=noelne01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #265 on: August 18, 2016, 01:06:17 PM »

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I see all this talk about Noel being a defensive powerhouse etc

If you see his numbers per 36 mins they are very close to those of Amir (with the diff that Amir has a much better FG%)

First remark, how is Noel supposed to fill a hole in our roster when we already have a player who does most of what Noel does in the defensive end.

Second remark, No, this is not worth a #3 pick.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=johnsam01&p2=noelne01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none
Noel will get better Amir is who he is. Plus CBS is a great coach. Brown TBD.
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Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #266 on: August 18, 2016, 01:18:57 PM »

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Has anyone even suggested why Ainge would trade Jaylen for Noel now when he wasn't willing to trade the third pick?

Mike
That's exactly like asking why the Cavs were willing to trade Wiggins in late August when they weren't willing to trade the #1 pick in June.   There's several reasons.  Circumstances changed.  All options were weighed.  Above all, they knew there was no rush to trade away the pick on draft night. 

It's a similar situation here.  Everyone unanimously agrees Ainge tried like hell to move the draft pick leading up to and on draft night.  He was swinging for the fences.  We "reached" for Brown, but I think it was a solid pick.  Brown gave us the most flexibility heading forward.  He's 19 years old, has potential, and plays a position we aren't already overloaded at.  That means, if we keep him, he's probably not contributing to an already problematic depth chart at the guard position.  Selecting Brown was as much about retaining leverage as anything.  Had we taken another point guard like Dunn, that wouldn't have put us in the greatest negotiation position.  Desperately trying to clear up a guard log jam is no different than Philly desperately trying to clear up a big man log jam.   The Brown pick made sense for a number of reasons.

That said, that pick was obviously available and Brown did absolutely nothing in Summer League that would make him untouchable.  Long-term, he might be great.  Short-term he might struggle to make any impact at all.   You have to assume he's available for the right player or package.  Whether that's someone like Blake Griffin, Jimmy Butler, etc I don't know.  But there's no way that chip was taken off the table over the last two months.  There's also some cap logic to it.  Taking on Noel + Covington + two more 1st rounders would have made freeing up cap space for Horford + Durant pretty impossible.  We'd have Noel and Covington on the books and we'd be trying to convince four different 1st rounders to play overseas this year.   What might have made no sense for this team in late June might be Ainge's best option in late August.  Like everyone else, I hope Noel is just goofing off or perhaps there's a lot more to the trade than he's letting on.   Ainge has admitted we "aren't done" and it seems to me the team would still very much like to free up a handful of roster spots.  So maybe if it's some kind of bigger deal where it's Brown + Rozier + Young + Hunter for Noel and the Lakers pick, it would be mutually beneficial and allow the team to sign a couple additional players like Ray Allen, Larry Sanders, etc. Who knows. 

There was far more uncertainty on draft night.   We now know the landscape of the NBA better.  We see that Golden State is in control.   We've added Al Horford and probably want solidify our team with him on board and add complimentary pieces.   Evan Turner is now officially gone.  Terry Rozier is showed signs that suggest he might need minutes.   We've added Gerald Green who should hopefully be a big offensive punch off the bench at SF.   Westbrook has extended.   Blake Griffin seems off the table.   Jimmy Butler is probably off the table.  We have more intel right now.  I'm not at all saying this means Noel is the option we're settling on, but it could mean we might shift all our focus to Cousins, or Rudy Gay, or Jabari Parker, or whoever.  A lot has changed in the past two months.  Our options with the pick (Brown) are more clear.

Until the Celtics say the roster is locked in, I guess we have to stay on our toes.  And until Philly resolves their big man log jam, we have to keep our ears to the ground... especially considering how clear it is that Boston has has interest in grabbing one of them.   Nobody really knows what's going on with Noel's twitter.  Maybe he was hacked.  Maybe the rumors are true and he's just very immature and is having a laugh.  But there's definitely something going on and it all has to do with Boston.  Everyone should be on high alert right now.   I'm literally shaking.

Really? You might want to seek medical attention.




Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #267 on: August 18, 2016, 01:20:38 PM »

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I see all this talk about Noel being a defensive powerhouse etc

If you see his numbers per 36 mins they are very close to those of Amir (with the diff that Amir has a much better FG%)

First remark, how is Noel supposed to fill a hole in our roster when we already have a player who does most of what Noel does in the defensive end.

Second remark, No, this is not worth a #3 pick.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=johnsam01&p2=noelne01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none

is it possible those per36 numbers get skewed when one guy plays behind the best perimeter defense in the L, and the other behind a tank full of 6ers?

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« Reply #268 on: August 18, 2016, 01:28:01 PM »

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I see all this talk about Noel being a defensive powerhouse etc

If you see his numbers per 36 mins they are very close to those of Amir (with the diff that Amir has a much better FG%)

First remark, how is Noel supposed to fill a hole in our roster when we already have a player who does most of what Noel does in the defensive end.

Second remark, No, this is not worth a #3 pick.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=johnsam01&p2=noelne01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=#per_minute::none
Noel will get better Amir is who he is. Plus CBS is a great coach. Brown TBD.

Unless you have foreknowledge of the future, the most you can say is that there is reason to hope Noel will get better because he is still 22yo. His game is based on athleticism rather than skill anyway, so the margin for improvement is not as big as many think.

But this is hardly relevant since Noel's contract expires in one year - so who cares even if Noel is an All Star 3-4 years from now?
As it is, we will be trading for a one year rental of a more athletic Amir who can't score. Doesn't move the needle much.

As for giving up Brown for Noel, I hope you are kidding. Sure, Brown's value is to be determined. But he is under contract until 2020. This means that if Brown turns out as good as Ainge hoped when he drafted him at #3, he still doesn't get to pay him any more than the 5 mill already agreed.  Our room for trades/signing FAs is already getting limited and it will be even more so as our rookies become RFAs. Ppl have to get used to the idea that we do not have infinite money to spend as we did the last three seasons, esp. on long term projects. What this team needs to get to the next level is one or two more players in or near the top-20, like Horford.

Re: Nerlens Noel Tweet- Overreaction Time
« Reply #269 on: August 18, 2016, 02:00:07 PM »

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I find some of Larbrd's antics pretty funny but when it gets to the point of confusing multiple members of the forum on what is really happening it is probably better to ligthen up a bit.