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What does Nader really want?
« on: August 09, 2016, 11:38:17 AM »

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Is it money or the fastest route to an NBA roster?

I can understand why anyone would not want to play a season in the D league at 25,000/yr.  C's will make the required tender offer by Sept 6.  If Nader rejects the offer, C's maintain NBA rights for a year.  I believe then that Nader has the option to sign a Euro contract at that point rather than playing in Maine.   Is this correct?  If that is correct, it seems like a win-win to me. C's have effectively stashed him and he is playing against better competition than D league and getting paid.

His agent is quoted as saying he is a NBA player now.  If he accepts the offer, then gets waived in camp, he can go to Maine (or any other D league team that would sign him to a D league contract), and be eligible to be called up by any NBA team if he is killing the D league.  His agent seems to be threatening this second approach.

I think approach #1 maybe more prudent.  Wouldn't you rather play in Europe for 500,000 than ride the bench in the NBA for 500,000?

Re: What does Nader really want?
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He is not getting 500.000 in europe ..... at least not yet

Re: What does Nader really want?
« Reply #2 on: August 09, 2016, 11:49:00 AM »

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Re: What does Nader really want?
« Reply #3 on: August 09, 2016, 12:40:29 PM »

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Is it money or the fastest route to an NBA roster?

I can understand why anyone would not want to play a season in the D league at 25,000/yr.  C's will make the required tender offer by Sept 6.  If Nader rejects the offer, C's maintain NBA rights for a year.  I believe then that Nader has the option to sign a Euro contract at that point rather than playing in Maine.   Is this correct?  If that is correct, it seems like a win-win to me. C's have effectively stashed him and he is playing against better competition than D league and getting paid.

His agent is quoted as saying he is a NBA player now.  If he accepts the offer, then gets waived in camp, he can go to Maine (or any other D league team that would sign him to a D league contract), and be eligible to be called up by any NBA team if he is killing the D league.  His agent seems to be threatening this second approach.

I think approach #1 maybe more prudent.  Wouldn't you rather play in Europe for 500,000 than ride the bench in the NBA for 500,000?

Another problem I see from Nader's perspective is that the spots in Europe fill up fast. Waiting until Sept. 6 may not leave as many options for Europe, or at least not the good ones. Obviously, from the Celtics perspective this is what I would prefer though. Keep his rights and take a look at him next year (assuming a trade doesn't open things up a little).

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« Reply #4 on: August 09, 2016, 12:52:55 PM »

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What if he gets cut in training camp, goes to the D-League as a free agent, but then he fails to distinguish himself? (That is, what if summer league proves to have been a fluke, and he's just a guy?) Then he's in deep trouble, making peanuts with an uphill battle to make it in the NBA.

If I were him I'd seek to sign a deal abroad. Even if it's for much less than 500k or whatever.
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I don't think it's that complicated.  I believe he looked around in Summer league and realized he's currently a better player than at least five guys the Celtics guaranteed money to:  Bentil, Jackson, Young, Mickey, and Hunter.

I don't blame him for putting up a stink.  In any job in America if you're outworking and outperforming your peers you have a right to demand to be compensated accordingly. 

How Bentil ended up with a contract after literally proving himself unplayable while Nader didn't I'll never understand.

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« Reply #6 on: August 09, 2016, 02:01:05 PM »

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Is it money or the fastest route to an NBA roster?

I can understand why anyone would not want to play a season in the D league at 25,000/yr.  C's will make the required tender offer by Sept 6.  If Nader rejects the offer, C's maintain NBA rights for a year.  I believe then that Nader has the option to sign a Euro contract at that point rather than playing in Maine.   Is this correct?  If that is correct, it seems like a win-win to me. C's have effectively stashed him and he is playing against better competition than D league and getting paid.

His agent is quoted as saying he is a NBA player now.  If he accepts the offer, then gets waived in camp, he can go to Maine (or any other D league team that would sign him to a D league contract), and be eligible to be called up by any NBA team if he is killing the D league.  His agent seems to be threatening this second approach.

I think approach #1 maybe more prudent.  Wouldn't you rather play in Europe for 500,000 than ride the bench in the NBA for 500,000?
He can also choose to sit out the year and enter the draft again, although this is probably not very prudent.
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Is it money or the fastest route to an NBA roster?

I can understand why anyone would not want to play a season in the D league at 25,000/yr.  C's will make the required tender offer by Sept 6.  If Nader rejects the offer, C's maintain NBA rights for a year.  I believe then that Nader has the option to sign a Euro contract at that point rather than playing in Maine.   Is this correct?  If that is correct, it seems like a win-win to me. C's have effectively stashed him and he is playing against better competition than D league and getting paid.

His agent is quoted as saying he is a NBA player now.  If he accepts the offer, then gets waived in camp, he can go to Maine (or any other D league team that would sign him to a D league contract), and be eligible to be called up by any NBA team if he is killing the D league.  His agent seems to be threatening this second approach.

I think approach #1 maybe more prudent.  Wouldn't you rather play in Europe for 500,000 than ride the bench in the NBA for 500,000?
He can also choose to sit out the year and enter the draft again, although this is probably not very prudent.

Not at this juncture.


Re: What does Nader really want?
« Reply #8 on: August 09, 2016, 02:24:23 PM »

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if he gave his word and danny drafted him and he breaks his word and signs the contract
danny could chose to admire the kids desire or throw him to the wolves at training camp-

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« Reply #9 on: August 09, 2016, 02:28:51 PM »

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I think he played well enough to earn a spot on the roster. (RJ looks like he'll get a spot) Nader is most likely p---ed that he's being passed over. I understand Summer League is different than league games, but he did show he can hit the 3, get to the rim, and be aggressive. He had a nice summer league.

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I don't think it's that complicated.  I believe he looked around in Summer league and realized he's currently a better player than at least five guys the Celtics guaranteed money to:  Bentil, Jackson, Young, Mickey, and Hunter.

I don't blame him for putting up a stink.  In any job in America if you're outworking and outperforming your peers you have a right to demand to be compensated accordingly. 

How Bentil ended up with a contract after literally proving himself unplayable while Nader didn't I'll never understand.

Totally agree....I'm getting more and more disillusioned by Danny's plan or lack thereof. My guess he feels Nader is somewhat of a clone to Jonas. 

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« Reply #11 on: August 09, 2016, 03:45:03 PM »

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the celts have seen a lot of bentil,he is young and a scorer and had a body of work but almost broke the backboard
jackson has elite vertical and is strong and again a body of work-

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« Reply #12 on: August 09, 2016, 03:47:57 PM »

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I don't think it's that complicated.  I believe he looked around in Summer league and realized he's currently a better player than at least five guys the Celtics guaranteed money to:  Bentil, Jackson, Young, Mickey, and Hunter.

I don't blame him for putting up a stink.  In any job in America if you're outworking and outperforming your peers you have a right to demand to be compensated accordingly. 

How Bentil ended up with a contract after literally proving himself unplayable while Nader didn't I'll never understand.

Totally agree....I'm getting more and more disillusioned by Danny's plan or lack thereof. My guess he feels Nader is somewhat of a clone to Jonas.
Is it possible that since they have done their due diligence and have seen these guys play a lot more bball than any of us including private workouts that they might know something we don't?!

It is hilarious to listen to people second guess which second round picks they should have given contract offers to. If any of the three were actually very good they would have been first round picks. They are at best bench players. Only one in a few hundred ever turn out to be that player everyone wonders why they slipped into the second round. Nader looked solid in summer league and likely has a place on the bench in this league. There were flashes however that Bentil and Jackson looked like they could be even better and I bet that has a lot to do with what Danny is thinking and doing here.

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« Reply #13 on: August 09, 2016, 03:49:54 PM »

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I don't think it's that complicated.  I believe he looked around in Summer league and realized he's currently a better player than at least five guys the Celtics guaranteed money to:  Bentil, Jackson, Young, Mickey, and Hunter.

I don't blame him for putting up a stink.  In any job in America if you're outworking and outperforming your peers you have a right to demand to be compensated accordingly. 

How Bentil ended up with a contract after literally proving himself unplayable while Nader didn't I'll never understand.

Totally agree....I'm getting more and more disillusioned by Danny's plan or lack thereof. My guess he feels Nader is somewhat of a clone to Jonas.
If that's how he feels then that's why he isn't making the roster, but I don't really see Nader that way at all.  He is a much better slasher and ball-handler than Jonas.  Haven't seen enough of him to say if his outside shot is as good though.

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« Reply #14 on: August 09, 2016, 04:35:47 PM »

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The only reason Nader was even drafted at all was because he would agree to be stashed (either in D-League or abroad). Bentil was a proven 'star' at Providence alongside Dunn; just because he didn't tear it up in Summer League doesn't make him less valuable than Nader.

Nader is kind-of like a Colton Iverson type of prospect. I don't ever expect expect anything from him, especially with other higher picks like Yab and Zizic being stashed and future picks yet to come, but he will be somebody to keep an eye on in case he does break out.