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flawed stats sending false message
« on: August 07, 2016, 01:22:55 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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announcers,bloggers and stat guys keep pounding away at marcus smart
i have yet to hear anybody respond to the fact thestats can be skewed by on court playing time while recovering from injuries
marcus smarts ankle sprain a severe high ankle sprain effected his whole rookie season-no lift and pain that didn't end till mid summer
jae chrowder had a bad playoffs and every part of his game suffered
marcus was having a very confident summer league when he tor two fingers out of joint screwing up camp and pre season, then a dislocated knee kept him out till new year-a dislocated knee is a rare  but serious injury
-i'm sure just getting back in game shape would throw someones three pont % out the window-kelly's out 6months or more on his separated shoulder
so i say marcus early years have been marred by some horrific injuries that make any kind of stats useless
-does anybody think marcus is the worst 3 point shooter ever after shooting 333 in rookie year -does anybody not believe that two dislocated fingers might throw your shot off  for a time coming back,the same holds true for a serious knee injury that had marcus miss 18 games
here is another stat confuser-jerebko and kelly play hot potato with clock running down leaving marcus to have to put it up
 nobody thats nobody looks at his injuries and their effect-
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« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2016, 01:35:29 PM »

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I have made the same or similar points on several occasions, rollie.  Maybe it's because I'm the "new kid on the block" that it escaped your attention.

I'll add, as I've also said previously, that with the departure of ET, I anticipate that Smart will take over the reins of running the 2nd unit which will only enhance his effectiveness because unlike ET he has shown the ability to be a play maker setting up better shots for teammates which, in turn,will lead to better shots for himself.
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« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2016, 01:54:20 PM »

Offline Csfan1984

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For some seeing is believing. They won't believe he can be a good shooter when they have seen him be a bad shooter. That is all on Smart and the injury. I hope he can be better. I do think he can be better. But I don't expect everyone to feel the same way.
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« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2016, 02:19:48 PM »

Offline chiken Green

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The Team plays Better with Smart on the floor.. Anybody watching the games can see that.. shooting %'s do not solely define a players worth or his contributions to Winning..

Alot of what Smart brings cannot be found in Stats.

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« Reply #4 on: August 07, 2016, 02:58:08 PM »

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I agree, but Smart plays with such reckless abandon and grit that he will always be more apt to get injured compared with other players.  He will literally risk injury to try to draw a charge call.
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« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2016, 03:14:32 PM »

Offline rollie mass

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Quote from: BlastFromThePast on August 07, 2016, 01:35:29 PM
I have made the same or similar points on several occasions, rollie.  Maybe it's because I'm the "new kid on the block" that it escaped your attention.

I'll add, as I've also said previously, that with the departure of ET, I anticipate that Smart will take over the reins of running the 2nd unit which will only enhance his effectiveness because unlike ET he has shown the ability to be a play maker setting up better shots for teammates which, in turn,will lead to better shots for himself.

tp as an apology- another thing is smart has to play night after night the other teams best players and when crowder went down marcus had to increase his defensive intensity, doesn't lend itself to being cool calm collected shooter-i wish a stats guy would join this topic-even curry in playoffs after he got injured shot poorly-marcus deserves a medal not criticism-
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« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2016, 05:46:02 PM »

Offline CelticsFan166

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TP for an interesting thread rollie. It felt like last year smart was getting into a rhythm when he dislocated the fingers and the year before when he had to be taken off on a stretcher. It's just felt like really unlucky timing with his injuries before, and I'm hopeful that this year with a baptism by fire of sorts it's gonna be sink-or-swim. My guess is Smart makes a huge leap this year with primary control of the second unit and has a breakout season in terms of shooting the ball.
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« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2016, 08:16:54 PM »

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Or perhaps fans who idolize Marcus Smart don't want to look at the complete package.

Just saying ...
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« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2016, 08:42:10 PM »

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your premise would argue that smart is the only player in the league that has played banged up?...

give me a break...

you are what you do. smart can now be called an (injury prone) defensive/energy combo guard - off the bench
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« Reply #9 on: August 07, 2016, 09:24:02 PM »

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Stats he has are the stats he earned.   Sure, injury could have been a factor.  But he needs to shoot better, period.  This is a key year for him, I think.   I wish him well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 07, 2016, 10:56:31 PM »

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Smart is entering his 3rd year, and has made his team better every time he's come onto the floor since the start of his career.

Is the shooting numbers discouraging? Sure. But remember he shot 33% from 3 his rookie year and improved his FT% dramatically last season.

Dude is a future DPOY candidate as is right now. If he can just develop his shot to a league average level (33% from 3), he'll be one heck of a player. He's clearly a capable passer, has excellent court vision, can guard almost anyone, and comes up HUGE in key moments.

My bold prediction: The Marcus Smart we saw in the playoffs last year is going to be much like the guy were going to get this year. A guy who plays DPOY level defense and can do enough offensively to make a difference in winning is where he's going to be. Can't wait to see him and Rozier running the 2nd unit this season.
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« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2016, 02:07:38 AM »

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Quote from: Celtics4ever on August 07, 2016, 09:24:02 PM
Stats he has are the stats he earned.   Sure, injury could have been a factor.  But he needs to shoot better, period.  This is a key year for him, I think.   I wish him well.

This sums it up for me. I expect he will have a good season. If he can improve his shooting then it will be so much better for everyone. The team will be looking to improve so individuals who don't will pay the price more than in the last two seasons.
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« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2016, 06:38:15 AM »

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Quote from: lefty12 on August 07, 2016, 08:42:10 PM
your premise would argue that smart is the only player in the league that has played banged up?...

give me a break...

you are what you do. smart can now be called an (injury prone) defensive/energy combo guard - off the bench

curry's shooting during playoffs,kelly's playing with banged up shoulder,isaiah coming back last year from injury
-recovery time on court from injuries alters stats
-sometimes violently in case of marcus but guys like you just bludgeon away using stats and blanket statements
-rj hunter has slightly sprained wrist and did not play because it would effect his shot and % but smart would have played
i was a shooter and i know for a fact that coming back from ankle,wrist injuries even slight and how it alters ones shot
-do you know how may times and ways these announcers,critics and talk show guys bring up those bad shooting stats without looking any deeper-curry wasn't limping but his shot was off and announcers immediately came up with his injury to ankle-
avery shoots better at beginning of games i also believe playing all star defense takes away from 3pt shooting -the physical nature of defense and focus takes its toll
  shooter to coach-- like defense that somebody elses role i'm a shooter,you want me to bang away,bust threw screens and and shoot for high percentage -no way leave it to marcus- 
shooter to coach-i need the ball at my spots to maximize % and not with time running down and having to heave it up,leave it to marcus
announcers-that marcus just keeps jackin up threes,
 announcers that marcus has worst % of all players
announcers that marcus has poor shot selection
announcers-kelly should shoot more
announcers -jerebko hitting at 40%
fans -marcus can't shoot
fans marcus a bust
stats guys-marcus the worst
brad-keep shooting marcus it will come around,play your game
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« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2016, 06:50:53 AM »

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Curry is curry dude lol. Do not compare Marcus Smart to Curry.

Certain players the doubts of an injury should be discussed and mentioned.

Not with Smart. The guy is just not a good shooter.

Yes Marcus does take bad shots and has a bad shot selection, although that maybe because of what his role is. So not entirely to blame.

The problem with Smart , and sadly might always be is that he just does not have the skillset, the abilities to be a great guard.

Curry is lighter but basically the same height, but Curry is just Curry

Smart is Smart. He is sub average to average in every aspect of offense.

His defense is amazing, and he changes the game in that way. So if his offense is average, he makes a good difference.


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« Reply #14 on: August 08, 2016, 07:06:15 AM »

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celtics-marcus shot 33% his rookie year
,wouldn't you expect around that area or better his 2nd year-what happened to make him the worst
how bad was 33% for a rookie with a nagging ankle injury-
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