don't forget zizic

[rollie mass]

tough,physical kid that likes contact with motor and length-chomping at the bit to get to NBA-
so next year we got the nets pick and get to bring zizic over-he has got lost in shuffle with no summer league
how good can he get-

[Smartacus]

I'm on board with Zizic Rollie, every time you take a look at this guy and he just jumps off the screen. Hard nosed, strong, wide shoulders let him cut out space under the basket. Not block machine but protects the rim by his presence on the court. I like that his brother had a long career in the Euroleague.

Once he matures more physically watch out, not every day you come across a player with that kind of physical ability who still will be the biggest hustler on the court. He's one of the main reasons I'd hope a consolidation trade is in our near future.

As for how good I think he can be, he doesn't have the skill of Jokic or the size of Nurkic but I'm hoping he can find his own niche in the league, and rise up as the next talented Eastern Euro player too outperform their draft spot.

[Androslav]

I'm on board with Zizic Rollie, every time you take a look at this guy and he just jumps off the screen. Hard nosed, strong, wide shoulders let him cut out space under the basket. Not block machine but protects the rim by his presence on the court. I like that his brother had a long career in the Euroleague.

Once he matures more physically watch out, not every day you come across a player with that kind of physical ability who still will be the biggest hustler on the court. He's one of the main reasons I'd hope a consolidation trade is in our near future.

As for how good I think he can be, he doesn't have the skill of Jokic or the size of Nurkic but I'm hoping he can find his own niche in the league, and rise up as the next talented Eastern Euro player too outperform their draft spot.

About his brother Andrija, I definitly agree that having an ex-pro in your family helps. So many of todays NBA players had some pro sport roots. Particulary in the NBA today, there are about 4,5% of sons or grandchildren that had their father or grandfather in the league. Huge number.
To put it in a perpective:
450 NBA players - 20 siblings - 4,5%
7,4 b people - about 3500 NBA players in the history - 0,00000047%
My math may be flawed but it kinda helps your chances to make it to the league
for about 10 million times.
I guess that the number is more than 20% of total players if include other sports at the pro level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players

As for Žižić's brother Andrija, he was a fine Euroleague/Croatian league player.
Different than Ante although both are big-men, less explosive and bruising, but he had more technique in his game. He was a 4.
Nice midrange shot, crafty inside, strong base, he knew how to get to the line inside, kept good position on the boards, more of an introvert type, just kept playing with his mouth closed. Never to high, never too low, but a fighter, competitor. Ante is an "animal", will-player atm.

One more note, another Žižić/Celtic connection. Andrija won the first non-Cibona Croatian Basketball chapionship, tandeming in the frontcourt with an ex-Celtic Dino Rađa (aged 35, but could still play), after more than a decade long big-throphy drought, for his native Split club.

I said it earlier on the forum. I live in Zagreb and will keep you posted on Ante's play for the Cibona club this year.

[coffee425]

My NBA comparison. And i'll take it any day of the week.

[Alleyoopster]

I'm on board with Zizic Rollie, every time you take a look at this guy and he just jumps off the screen. Hard nosed, strong, wide shoulders let him cut out space under the basket. Not block machine but protects the rim by his presence on the court. I like that his brother had a long career in the Euroleague.

Once he matures more physically watch out, not every day you come across a player with that kind of physical ability who still will be the biggest hustler on the court. He's one of the main reasons I'd hope a consolidation trade is in our near future.

As for how good I think he can be, he doesn't have the skill of Jokic or the size of Nurkic but I'm hoping he can find his own niche in the league, and rise up as the next talented Eastern Euro player too outperform their draft spot.

About his brother Andrija, I definitly agree that having an ex-pro in your family helps. So many of todays NBA players had some pro sport roots. Particulary in the NBA today, there are about 4,5% of sons or grandchildren that had their father or grandfather in the league. Huge number.
To put it in a perpective:
450 NBA players - 20 siblings - 4,5%
7,4 b people - about 3500 NBA players in the history - 0,00000047%
My math may be flawed but it kinda helps your chances to make it to the league
for about 10 million times.
I guess that the number is more than 20% of total players if include other sports at the pro level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players

As for Žižić's brother Andrija, he was a fine Euroleague/Croatian league player.
Different than Ante although both are big-men, less explosive and bruising, but he had more technique in his game. He was a 4.
Nice midrange shot, crafty inside, strong base, he knew how to get to the line inside, kept good position on the boards, more of an introvert type, just kept playing with his mouth closed. Never to high, never too low, but a fighter, competitor. Ante is an "animal", will-player atm.

One more note, another Žižić/Celtic connection. Andrija won the first non-Cibona Croatian Basketball chapionship, tandeming in the frontcourt with an ex-Celtic Dino Rađa (aged 35, but could still play), after more than a decade long big-throphy drought, for his native Split club.

I said it earlier on the forum. I live in Zagreb and will keep you posted on Ante's play for the Cibona club this year.

Androslav, there has been a lot of debate on CB as to whether Danny made a mistake by drafting Guerschon Yabusele with the 16th pick. Many thought there were much better prospects on the board. Now that the Summer League is over it looks as though Ivica Zubac may have been one of those players that many NBA GMs wished they hadn't passed over. We won't know for sure until he proves himself during a regular NBA season. 

Nonetheless, how would you compare Zubac to Ante Zizac. Which of the two would you have drafted? And, did you wish the C's kept Zagorac instead of trading him for a draft pick?

[rollie mass]

I'm on board with Zizic Rollie, every time you take a look at this guy and he just jumps off the screen. Hard nosed, strong, wide shoulders let him cut out space under the basket. Not block machine but protects the rim by his presence on the court. I like that his brother had a long career in the Euroleague.

Once he matures more physically watch out, not every day you come across a player with that kind of physical ability who still will be the biggest hustler on the court. He's one of the main reasons I'd hope a consolidation trade is in our near future.

As for how good I think he can be, he doesn't have the skill of Jokic or the size of Nurkic but I'm hoping he can find his own niche in the league, and rise up as the next talented Eastern Euro player too outperform their draft spot.

About his brother Andrija, I definitly agree that having an ex-pro in your family helps. So many of todays NBA players had some pro sport roots. Particulary in the NBA today, there are about 4,5% of sons or grandchildren that had their father or grandfather in the league. Huge number.
To put it in a perpective:
450 NBA players - 20 siblings - 4,5%
7,4 b people - about 3500 NBA players in the history - 0,00000047%
My math may be flawed but it kinda helps your chances to make it to the league
for about 10 million times.
I guess that the number is more than 20% of total players if include other sports at the pro level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players

As for Žižić's brother Andrija, he was a fine Euroleague/Croatian league player.
Different than Ante although both are big-men, less explosive and bruising, but he had more technique in his game. He was a 4.
Nice midrange shot, crafty inside, strong base, he knew how to get to the line inside, kept good position on the boards, more of an introvert type, just kept playing with his mouth closed. Never to high, never too low, but a fighter, competitor. Ante is an "animal", will-player atm.

One more note, another Žižić/Celtic connection. Andrija won the first non-Cibona Croatian Basketball chapionship, tandeming in the frontcourt with an ex-Celtic Dino Rađa (aged 35, but could still play), after more than a decade long big-throphy drought, for his native Split club.

I said it earlier on the forum. I live in Zagreb and will keep you posted on Ante's play for the Cibona club this year.

TP-i live in england grew up in boston-my son played premier league here a 6-5 pointguard and was 2 minutes from national championship-i went to his tournaments in mainland spain and tenerife-played against barcelona,real madrid and a israeli squad-
ante zizic spent some time today reviewing all his tapes-is his brother going to work on his mid range game  and inside moves-
can't teach what that kid has-- i would like to follow zizic growth

[Androslav]

I'm on board with Zizic Rollie, every time you take a look at this guy and he just jumps off the screen. Hard nosed, strong, wide shoulders let him cut out space under the basket. Not block machine but protects the rim by his presence on the court. I like that his brother had a long career in the Euroleague.

Once he matures more physically watch out, not every day you come across a player with that kind of physical ability who still will be the biggest hustler on the court. He's one of the main reasons I'd hope a consolidation trade is in our near future.

As for how good I think he can be, he doesn't have the skill of Jokic or the size of Nurkic but I'm hoping he can find his own niche in the league, and rise up as the next talented Eastern Euro player too outperform their draft spot.

About his brother Andrija, I definitly agree that having an ex-pro in your family helps. So many of todays NBA players had some pro sport roots. Particulary in the NBA today, there are about 4,5% of sons or grandchildren that had their father or grandfather in the league. Huge number.
To put it in a perpective:
450 NBA players - 20 siblings - 4,5%
7,4 b people - about 3500 NBA players in the history - 0,00000047%
My math may be flawed but it kinda helps your chances to make it to the league
for about 10 million times.
I guess that the number is more than 20% of total players if include other sports at the pro level.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_second-generation_National_Basketball_Association_players

As for Žižić's brother Andrija, he was a fine Euroleague/Croatian league player.
Different than Ante although both are big-men, less explosive and bruising, but he had more technique in his game. He was a 4.
Nice midrange shot, crafty inside, strong base, he knew how to get to the line inside, kept good position on the boards, more of an introvert type, just kept playing with his mouth closed. Never to high, never too low, but a fighter, competitor. Ante is an "animal", will-player atm.

One more note, another Žižić/Celtic connection. Andrija won the first non-Cibona Croatian Basketball chapionship, tandeming in the frontcourt with an ex-Celtic Dino Rađa (aged 35, but could still play), after more than a decade long big-throphy drought, for his native Split club.

I said it earlier on the forum. I live in Zagreb and will keep you posted on Ante's play for the Cibona club this year.

Androslav, there has been a lot of debate on CB as to whether Danny made a mistake by drafting Guerschon Yabusele with the 16th pick. Many thought there were much better prospects on the board. Now that the Summer League is over it looks as though Ivica Zubac may have been one of those players that many NBA GMs wished they hadn't passed over. We won't know for sure until he proves himself during a regular NBA season. 

Nonetheless, how would you compare Zubac to Ante Zizac. Which of the two would you have drafted? And, did you wish the C's kept Zagorac instead of trading him for a draft pick?

I like Zubac (ZOO-BUTS), he had a good showing in the SL. I also like the situation Lakers are in now, both of their W/L projection and his potential PT. He is a true 5 and does center things well for a young player, he also has good hands.
It is hard to say who is a better prospect, but one thing comes to mind when I am evaluating all of these young bigs, that is - PNR defense. To me its a dealbreaker.
Kanter could avarage 25 and 11 on 55% and still be a net-zero player.
Bigs are defenders first and foremost. Like a goalkeeper, most often there is no one behind him to make up for the mistake.
With that said Žižić (ZHI-ZHI-TCH) is my pick. He is smaller for about 2,5 inches, but he has that footspeed to make it work. If he can defend PNR and still be an obstacle at the rim there is a long NBA career in front of him.
None of them are finesse players and to me Ante seems more suited for the current style of play.
As for Zagorac he is wing. I actually wanted DA to alleviate the kindergarden pressure of drafting 8 twenty years olds, so I'm fine with Clips pick. Especialy since it gives us a little bit of leverage over others in the Blake Griffin market if it comes up again.
If not, 1st rounder is still a 1st rounder.
He could be versatile player in the future and I like how Serbian programs develop players in general. He will have PT and the ball in his hands, so he can make strides.

[trickybilly]

zizic either is, or will be.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

My NBA comparison. And i'll take it any day of the week.

I love Gortat. If Zizic ends up being at least as good as the Hammer, I'll be ecstatic.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I don't know if Zizic will be anything like Gortat.  Dude has a 25.7 PER in the Adriatic League as a non-3 point shooting finesse center at 18.  That league has some giant men in it and he just floats by all of them.  I don't think there will be a real comp for him if he reaches his potential.

[konkmv]

Papagiannis is better than all... the problem is he is at a bad team with more expeienced centers

[greece66]

Papagiannis is better than all... the problem is he is at a bad team with more expeienced centers

Papagiannis is taller than all

He has not showed any skill whatsoever any far

I'm not saying he might not turn out to be good and I wish he proves me wrong, but until now there is no evidence that he has NBA calibre skills. He hardly got mins in Panathinaikos (5 MPG last season). 

Zizic, on the other hand, was the Adriatic League's top rebounder.

[rollie mass]

danny was very skillful in drafting his his two euros and stashing them -next year they come in with another high lottery pick-they got drafted by a strong winning organization and have to fight for their spots and if they can do that -they will succeed in NBA-
next season spots will be opening up or not depending how certain players seasons progress
jj,amir,zeller and even ko

 

[CFAN38]

Papagiannis is better than all... the problem is he is at a bad team with more expeienced centers

Papagiannis is taller than all

He has not showed any skill whatsoever any far

I'm not saying he might not turn out to be good and I wish he proves me wrong, but until now there is no evidence that he has NBA calibre skills. He hardly got mins in Panathinaikos (5 MPG last season). 

Zizic, on the other hand, was the Adriatic League's top rebounder.

I terms of long term potental I really do not know enough about either player to give an opinion but the fact that Zizic has rebounded at a high level everywhere he has played shows that he will have onw transferable NBA skill.

I really think DA did a nice job in adding Yabu and Zizic as physical young bigs to inject into the rotation next season.