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Okafor - The Ringer (article)
« on: July 15, 2016, 09:02:28 PM »

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Jonathan Tjarks talking about possible destinations for Jahlil.  Here is what he said about Boston.

"The Celtics have been linked to Okafor almost since he was drafted, and they have always been his most likely destination. Boston has to consolidate some of its young talent in a trade, and Al Horford might be the best possible veteran big man to put around Okafor. At only 6-foot-10, he’s not big enough to be a full-fledged unicorn, but he’s a capable shooter and passer who can defend on the perimeter and at the rim. The Celtics need star power and scoring punch upfront, and they have the defensive personnel on the perimeter to mitigate Okafor’s lack of rim protection. With their vast collection of assets, the Celtics would be able to piece together an attractive package without sacrificing Jaylen Brown, their pick swap with the Nets next season, or the 2018 first-rounder Brooklyn will be sending them. There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks. The Celtics are as well positioned as anyone to take a gamble on Okafor without jeopardizing their present or their future."

I have to admit...I am still intrigued by his skill set, size, and potential.  I think he could flourish under Brad, Horford, and this current culture.

He wouldn't cost much to acquire and he's a good consolation prize if a superstar can't be had.


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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2016, 09:18:09 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2016, 09:18:10 PM »

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I can't help but feel that Okafor will disappoint a lot of people.

I think people saw Okafor putting up 17 and 8 last year, and they just expect that he'd come to Boston, and then come out next year (with an extra year of experience) and put up 20 and 10.

Personally, I think the opposite will more then likely happen.  Okafor put up 17 and 8 last year on a Philly team that had no scoring at all.  Jahlil was basically scoring option #1, #2 and #3.  Then you had Ish Smith as option #4 and Covington as option #5.  The ball was always Okafor's hand, and plays were being called for him constantly - and with all those touches (and his 15 or so FGA per game) he managed to put up 17 PPG.

Just for the record - Avery Bradley averaged 15 PPG in 2013/14 in 30 MPG (about the same Okafor played) when the Celtics were the 6th worst team in the NBA...and he was still sharing the offence with Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger.  So Okafor's scoring production in Philly is not nearly as standout as people have hyped it up to be.

If he came to Boston, Isaiah Thomas is still out #1 scoring option.  Horford is now likely #2.  Okafor would be battling with Bradley and Crowder for the #3 spot on the offence.  His touches would likely be cut in half compared to what he's getting in Philly, and his FGA would likely drop from 15 a game to 10-12 at most. 

Even if his scoring efficiency took a significant leap (from the 1.19 Pts Per FGA last year to 1.25 Pts Per FGA) and his attempts only dropped to 12 a game - that's still only 15 PPG that you could realistically expect from him as a Celtic...and that's pretty much your best case scenario.

Perhaps his rebounding might go up given that Horford is perimeter bound and not much of a rebounder these days, so maybe as a best case he gives you 15 and 9.  That's not too shabby at all and would help the team out, but you also have to factor in his major defensive issues, which would potentially negate all the good he provides us.

I'm not against getting him here because we do need more scoring, and he would become our second best scoring big immediately - I just think we need to be very, very careful not to overpay.  Okafor has his talents, but he's not the star people seem to think he is. Nowhere near it - at least not yet. 

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2016, 09:28:55 PM »

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I really question Okafor's fit here with our current roster. You'd take away Horford's greatest strength of interior defense, and I'm not sure how Okafor would fit with our uptempo style.

I mean, I guess if you could get him for something like Rozier and some some seconds or a later first, then you have to do it value-wise. However, id exhaust all my other options first, even if that meant getting Noel over Okafor. At least we know Noel would fit perfectly with us defensively and as a PnR guy with IT.
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Re: Okafor - The Ringer (article)
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2016, 09:32:51 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.

Lol, TP ;D. Are there any gluten free options, available?

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2016, 09:35:49 PM »

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If we could land okafor for spare change and non Brooklyn picks I wouldn't have any problem bringing him in.

Even if he doesn't improve on D or as a jumpshooter he brings a few high level skills and adds to our nucleus of young talent.



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« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2016, 10:09:11 PM »

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This is quite literally the same article Sporting News wrote, with find/replace Okafor. 


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« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2016, 10:10:39 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.

Lol, TP ;D. Are there any gluten free options, available?

Isn't it glutton free?

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« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2016, 10:12:15 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.

Lol, TP ;D. Are there any gluten free options, available?

Isn't it glutton free?

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« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2016, 10:15:58 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.

Lol, TP ;D. Are there any gluten free options, available?

Isn't it glutton free?



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Gotta give you a Tommy point..

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2016, 10:32:22 PM »

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There’s a lot for the Sixers to choose from: Terry Rozier, Demetrius Jackson, James Young, R.J. Hunter, Marcus Thornton, Guerschon Yabusele, Ben Bentil, Jordan Mickey, Ante Zizic, and future picks.

LOL. I imagine PHI looks at that list much like a vegetarian would look at the menu in a barbecue joint: plenty to order from, but nothing looks particularly appetizing.

Lol, TP ;D. Are there any gluten free options, available?

Isn't it glutton free?


Gotta give you a Tommy point, salty. 

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« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2016, 10:38:05 PM »

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I think Okafor makes more sense than Cousins. Price a lot less, similar skill set, and much more manageable contract.  Just not sure how well he would work in the lineup with Horford.

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« Reply #12 on: July 15, 2016, 11:03:00 PM »

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I can't help but feel that Okafor will disappoint a lot of people.

I think people saw Okafor putting up 17 and 8 last year, and they just expect that he'd come to Boston, and then come out next year (with an extra year of experience) and put up 20 and 10.

Personally, I think the opposite will more then likely happen.  Okafor put up 17 and 8 last year on a Philly team that had no scoring at all.  Jahlil was basically scoring option #1, #2 and #3.  Then you had Ish Smith as option #4 and Covington as option #5.  The ball was always Okafor's hand, and plays were being called for him constantly - and with all those touches (and his 15 or so FGA per game) he managed to put up 17 PPG.

Just for the record - Avery Bradley averaged 15 PPG in 2013/14 in 30 MPG (about the same Okafor played) when the Celtics were the 6th worst team in the NBA...and he was still sharing the offence with Jeff Green and Jared Sullinger.  So Okafor's scoring production in Philly is not nearly as standout as people have hyped it up to be.

If he came to Boston, Isaiah Thomas is still out #1 scoring option.  Horford is now likely #2.  Okafor would be battling with Bradley and Crowder for the #3 spot on the offence.  His touches would likely be cut in half compared to what he's getting in Philly, and his FGA would likely drop from 15 a game to 10-12 at most. 

Even if his scoring efficiency took a significant leap (from the 1.19 Pts Per FGA last year to 1.25 Pts Per FGA) and his attempts only dropped to 12 a game - that's still only 15 PPG that you could realistically expect from him as a Celtic...and that's pretty much your best case scenario.

Perhaps his rebounding might go up given that Horford is perimeter bound and not much of a rebounder these days, so maybe as a best case he gives you 15 and 9.  That's not too shabby at all and would help the team out, but you also have to factor in his major defensive issues, which would potentially negate all the good he provides us.

I'm not against getting him here because we do need more scoring, and he would become our second best scoring big immediately - I just think we need to be very, very careful not to overpay.  Okafor has his talents, but he's not the star people seem to think he is. Nowhere near it - at least not yet.
Come on dude. Okafor is not as incapable or as bad as you think. Also being on Philly, which you say was a positive for him, was actually literally the worst team he could have gone to considering his: size/strenghts&weaknesses, age, and conditioning(was tested every grueling game for Philly).
Philly itself was a team without any legit shooters(until garbage time/the game had been put away) or scorers to help Okafor. At 19 he had to carry a team that did not help defensively or offensively for his strengths and weaknesses

Also the wings were horrible defenders and other teams would blow by them and get to the rim/interior....makes sense. That means the front-court had to engage all those time and with Okafor already playing more minutes and stringing more consecutive minutes, well that is just grueling for a 19 year old rookie that is almost 280lbs but has a 7'6'' wingspan and 9'3'' standing reach.
Why philly sucked and especially was the worst for Okafor:
Offensively:
-no shooter or scorers(except Okafor)
-teams PACKED IT IN defensively because there were no legit scorers or 3pt threats
-Okafor was asked to do more than almost all rookies are and with his size he should have been brought along or they should have put another scorer and gotten better defenders....but the team was made to lose and even Adam Silver had to get involved.
-Okafor was the best scorer and played too many minutes together and asked to do way to much, especially concidering he had to work more on his body.
Defensively:
-the wings sucked defensively and other wings blew by them
-the front-court had to engage more attempts to the rim/paint than other bigs had to
-Okafor was too young and because of his strengths and weaknesses was at a disadvantage

Big men that are around 280 and as solid as Okafor, naturally, are really special but they also almost always have difficulties their rookie years. I enjoy looking at things from a dif perspective. The case you make for Okafor is the same case many GM's and tv pundits have. Thats a good thing because Okafor value is real low and IMO he is the most undervalued asset in the NBA because he has realistic improvements to make on his game and he could even be there for next season.

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« Reply #13 on: July 15, 2016, 11:43:37 PM »

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Some numbers I'm pulling out of my ***:

80-90% there will be a trade of some some sort prior to opening night.
If there is a trade, 30% the trade will be "major."
If there is a big trade, 80-90% it's a Philly big.
If it's a Philly big, 70% it's Okafor.

Wyc likes to run his mouth, but when you have Wyc, Danny, and IT all repeating that we're not done, and when there's this much smoke, I'm inclined to believe that we're not done. Major trades are uncommon, but we have the assets to do it. Colangelo has admitted that they need to make a trade, and despite the Horford addition, we still need bigs; we know Danny likes the Philly bigs as well. Danny deals in the business of assets, and Okafor likely represents too much of a buy low for Danny to pass up. Personally, I prefer Noel as a player, but when you take contracts into account, Okafor is more desirable. Getting a cost-controlled player will be huge if we grab another max guy next year. I don't think it's likely, but Okafor would be my best guess at Danny's main (realistic) target.

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« Reply #14 on: July 15, 2016, 11:54:36 PM »

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I think Okafor makes more sense than Cousins. Price a lot less, similar skill set, and much more manageable contract.  Just not sure how well he would work in the lineup with Horford.

Idk, if you think Cousins and Okafor have a similar skill set. Idk what to tell you.

Cousins a COMPLETE big man. He has all the post moves, the scent outside shot, the power near the rim, the elite rebounding ability, the defensive presence. It's all there for Boogie. If he could just join a legit team, he'd be a top 5-10 player.

Okafor is a 20 year old Al Jefferson. Nice player. Elite in the post. Halfway decent jumper. Terrible on defense, poor outside shooter. Al was a better rebounder and passer.

Saying Cousins and Okafor have similar skill sets is like saying Marcus Smart and James Harden have similar skill sets. Makes a little sense, but once you look into it, it doesn't fit at all.

I wouldn't trade any Nets picks, Jaylen Brown, the core guys (Bradley/Smart/IT/Crowder) or even Rozier for him after his performance in Summer League. Knowing what we know now, would you trade much for a 20 year old Al Jefferson ?