yabusele-maine or france

[rollie mass]

wouldn't yabusele be better off staying in boston working with celtics trainers and coaches at waltham and  being part of training camp-then a decision could be made
wouldn't he be better off playing in maine and getting used to celts system and commuting down to boston
how good are french trainers and coaches,how good is talent in french league,could and should yabusele alter his diet
why waste a year in france  picking up bad habits,not playing defence and maybe not putting in the necessary effort
celts used a first round pick  and he has nba body
if its best to stash him shouldn't he still stay in boston and work out of waltham as long as possible  while he developes the work habits and drills to bring back to europe-
we did use a 16 pick on him
i can see leaving a thin ,young big in europe but to have picked him so high-why squander a year in france for the sake of a roster spot and having him adjust again next year-
IS YABUSELE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ROSTER SPOT_IS HE BETTER OFF IN MAINE

[LarBrd33]

It's not about what's better for him.  It's about limited roster space.  If we bring on Yabusele, we now have 1 roster spot left for Zeller and our three 2nd rounders.  Might depend on whether or not we make a consolidation trade.  But if we think our three 2nd round draftees are scrubs, we can probably just let them walk.

[TheSundanceKid]

Agree with LarBrd33, in an ideal world he'd be here but realistically he needs to be in France. He will still develop in France, what is important is that he goes to a team/league that enhances his game, not just more of the same.

We have a roster crunch right now. To be honest it's not because some of our guys are too valuable to let go, it's about having the assets there for a trade. To me that is why a decision hasn't been made on him yet. Any deal for a star will open up 2-3 roster spots and essentially solve our roster crunch.

[CFAN38]

I could be 100% wrong but I image he can make more money in a season playing back in france then what the Red Claws can offer him.


When the league comes to the table over the new CBA I really think the use of the D-league need to be looked at. They need to create a minor league where there is not question that teams retain there talent in the USA and develop their guys. 

[celticsfan8591]

If he's not going to get pt for the celtics, it doesn't make sense to have him here.  For one thing, the French league is pretty good.  I'm not a European basketball expert but I don't think the d league is a higher level of play than Ligue A. And if his competition here isn't much better, were better off saving the roster spot for one of the second rounders and seeing what we have with them.  We also don't have to start his rookie contract and get more cost-controlled years out of him when he is ready for big minutes

[Celtics4ever]

Depends on what else we do roster wise.   If we add more bigs then no, I say " Viva La France" for him.   If not then Ainge means to get him experience stateside.   I can't see that maine and the NBA farm system really helps that many players blossom in the NBA.   Rozier looks like he is gaining some from it, but Young did not.  Perhaps this alone would be reason to send him to France.

[clover]

wouldn't yabusele be better off staying in boston working with celtics trainers and coaches at waltham and  being part of training camp-then a decision could be made
wouldn't he be better off playing in maine and getting used to celts system and commuting down to boston
how good are french trainers and coaches,how good is talent in french league,could and should yabusele alter his diet
why waste a year in france  picking up bad habits,not playing defence and maybe not putting in the necessary effort
celts used a first round pick  and he has nba body
if its best to stash him shouldn't he still stay in boston and work out of waltham as long as possible  while he developes the work habits and drills to bring back to europe-
we did use a 16 pick on him
i can see leaving a thin ,young big in europe but to have picked him so high-why squander a year in france for the sake of a roster spot and having him adjust again next year-
IS YABUSELE GOOD ENOUGH FOR ROSTER SPOT_IS HE BETTER OFF IN MAINE

You do realize he'd get starvation wages playing for the Red Claws? Not realistic or good for the young man. And who says he doesn't already have good work habits?

[mmmmm]

I could be 100% wrong but I image he can make more money in a season playing back in france then what the Red Claws can offer him.


When the league comes to the table over the new CBA I really think the use of the D-league need to be looked at. They need to create a minor league where there is not question that teams retain there talent in the USA and develop their guys.

Nope.  You are 100% correct.  He can make a lot more money playing back in France.

The D-League has horribly miserly salary structure:
http://dleaguedigest.com/2015/07/29/assessing-the-nba-d-league-salary-structure/

The NBA Development League has a three-tiered salary system for simplicity of making deals with players. The “A” salary is $25,000, “B” salaries are $19,000 while “C” salaries are $13,000 according to multiple league sources and agents who spoke to D-League Digest.

A team is required to remain under the salary cap the D-League sets each year, with a team not allowed to have more than five “A” contracts on their roster at one time. The salary designation the D-League sets is roughly around $170,000.

To navigate the salaries and the cap, the rule of thumb according to a league source is as follows:

“A” contracts: 2
“B” contracts: 3
“C” contracts: 5

Adhering to that guideline will assure a team they are just under the salary cap.

The above was the structure for last year, it may go up slightly for this year, but i still think the best a player can be paid will be under 30K.

I think I recall reading somewhere that Yabusele was paid right around 55K (US$) last season in France.

[SHAQATTACK]

I'm not up on Europe basketball.  But my guess it's a lot better training ground than the D league .

D league is just shooting practice to me .   The defense and team work is really very poor.   Just 10 guys running the court firing away fast as they can. 

He can gain more team skills in Europe I think.   

[mmmmm]

I'm not sure why you think he's more likely to pick up "bad habits" if he stays in France.  That seems a little unfounded.   

The Celtics have scouts and staff who would be tracking his development pretty closely there.

[Ed Hollison]

To my knowledge as a 1st round pick it's his choice where he plays (including the Celtics themselves). He'd get paid more, and face better competition, playing in Europe.

[rollie mass]

I'm not sure why you think he's more likely to pick up "bad habits" if he stays in France.  That seems a little unfounded.   

The Celtics have scouts and staff who would be tracking his development pretty closely there.

most of that post was asking questions,i watched the red claws with dwight powell and when rj was up there-
my sons premier league team supplied some practice and end of bench guys for a pro team here in england-
i have no way of comparing d league to france or france to spain or at what level that yabusele played or  the coaching and facilities-
this post was written to hopefully get answers
it would be easy to pick up bad habits,all you hear is how fast summer league is to college
 an example might be slow release or low release that might not work against NBA length
as to coaching my sons coach also had coached one of the pro teams in england witha bunch of american players
my sons team produced an all england guard and another that went to play for real madrid-at 16 and under his squad lost in finals of final four in last two minutes-i attended every practice game and tournament-canary islands,mainland spain his team beat the italians and lost to barcelona and did well against real madrid---i thought the red claws were a model with good coaching and fast commute to waltham or home games-

[apc]

It's not about what's better for him.  It's about limited roster space.  If we bring on Yabusele, we now have 1 roster spot left for Zeller and our three 2nd rounders.  Might depend on whether or not we make a consolidation trade.  But if we think our three 2nd round draftees are scrubs, we can probably just let them walk.

I thought I read something about us using the D-league stash option on 2nd rounders.

[Evantime34]

Someone can fact check me on this but I believe Yabu's contract in France has ended. So, Boston has the ability to help him find a team overseas that will be best for his development.

Rollie, Yabu might be better off with American trainers. However, our control of him only begins once he comes to Boston. If he stays in France or signs with a better international club team we have five years of control starting whenever he comes over.

Since he probably isn't going to help us right away, I'd rather have him develop overseas so the 5 cost controlled years we have are more likely to be productive ones for him.

That being said, if we make a big trade that opens up roster space, then adding Yabusele this year makes a lot more sense.

[rollie mass]

Someone can fact check me on this but I believe Yabu's contract in France has ended. So, Boston has the ability to help him find a team overseas that will be best for his development.

Rollie, Yabu might be better off with American trainers. However, our control of him only begins once he comes to Boston. If he stays in France or signs with a better international club team we have five years of control starting whenever he comes over.

Since he probably isn't going to help us right away, I'd rather have him develop overseas so the 5 cost controlled years we have are more likely to be productive ones for him.

That being said, if we make a big trade that opens up roster space, then adding Yabusele this year makes a lot more sense.

thanks everyone for this discussion--TP to evantime