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How much do the celtics need a star?
« on: July 13, 2016, 10:48:10 PM »

Offline walker834

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This seems to be mostly media driven that we do.  I don't disagree that we don't have one right now but certain guys spend enough time around Tom Brady and trying to get guys like Durant they might actually become that.

We have a couple very good vets in Isaiah and Horford now and enough young talent where I don't think we have to force anything.

Seeing Smart come out of the woodwork recently and seeing him sit with Danny Ainge during the summer league kind of reinforces that with me.

Plus watching Jaylen come up big here the last couple games.  We aren't that star starved.

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« Reply #1 on: July 13, 2016, 10:54:37 PM »

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Marcus Smart is 22 years old and was seen as being a great leader coming out of college.  Jaylen is a  player with superior intelligence and athleticism and a knack for scoring the basketball.  Terry Rozier is also stepping up big.  Plus we still have guys like Crowder and Bradley and a good supporting cast. 

It would be sort of nice to see the celtics balk the media in ways and see them build this a different way.

I truly believe Marcus and Brown are core pieces to this team going forward even though we have Isaiah and Horford.

We can compete. We are also improving what we have.  I guess it's difficult for the media to fill airtime with that though.

Star gazing keeps some people engaged.  So do big lights and loud music during games I guess but not everyone is like that.  I don't think Danny Ainge is overly.

Ultimately it's still basketball.  The issue with the internet to me is people forget that without all that stuff the game itself is very different.
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« Reply #2 on: July 13, 2016, 11:14:35 PM »

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I guess what I'm saying is I think this stuff is completely overblown.  I think Ainge would add a player or talent iif he doesn't have to give up core assets for the right guy to go with our core. but I'm guessing he has very little interest in most deals as they are reported.

I'd like to think he knows exactly what we have here and what we are building.  Every time I listen to him he just reinforces that belief as well.

I hope he doesn't do anything that stupid.

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« Reply #3 on: July 13, 2016, 11:17:35 PM »

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We have Brooklyn's first round picks the next two years.
And free agent money next year.
We will find more stars.

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« Reply #4 on: July 13, 2016, 11:18:30 PM »

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Oh I agree moves will be made but what we actually give up and for who is really not how the media spins it.

I've been listening to this stuff for years. Never liked it and still don't.  It never happens how the media spins it either.

I used to have better things to do lol, but as a fan to get information it is what it is and I have really have to sift through so much to just get to what I thought in the first place and it sucks.

Unless DA says it really none of these guys are trustworthy.  It's a lot of noise.
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« Reply #5 on: July 13, 2016, 11:18:44 PM »

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I love these knucklehead commentators/media members - like Jon Barry tonight who keep pushing this stupid theme.  What are IT and Horford?  All Stars last I checked.

How many real difference makers are there in the league right now not on Golden State - 6? 8?  And there are 30 teams.

After watching Summer League, I like what they have now, though they definitely are going to have a rebounding problem unless they make some sort of move.  GS is going to win next season so they don't have to worry about taking advantage of any 'window'.  But after that you've got a loaded draft and a high pick coming from NJ - who's truly going to suck in 16-17.

And once the owners giving out these ridiculous contracts to average players start realizing how stupid they've been, and rediscover the value of these nice cheap players you can draft and control for several seasons, the Celtics picks and young talent will become more valuable and they should be able to make one more major move - or draft someone who can help right away. 

Plus Stevens is going to continue to improve the players on the current roster.

They're fine as is for now.

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« Reply #6 on: July 13, 2016, 11:25:57 PM »

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« Reply #7 on: July 13, 2016, 11:27:27 PM »

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Oh I agree moves will be made but what we actually give up and for who is really not how the media spins it.

I've been listening to this stuff for years. Never liked it and still don't.  It never happens how the media spins it either.

I used to have better things to do lol, but as a fan to get information it is what it is and I have really have to sift through so much to just get to what I thought in the first place and it sucks.

Unless DA says it really none of these guys are trustworthy.  It's a lot of noise.

Ainge is hardly trustworthy.  His word means nothing, imo.

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« Reply #8 on: July 13, 2016, 11:32:53 PM »

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I think we could use a star, but I also think it's possible to compete without having that alphadog on your team. San Antonio won in 2014 without having that amazing superstar. Leonard wasn't in that level yet. Tim Duncan, Ginobili and Tony Parker were not in superstars status anymore. They won by team effort and great coaching. And I believe we can build something like that with time.
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« Reply #9 on: July 13, 2016, 11:32:55 PM »

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Cousins is one player I wouldn't mind adding but there has to be a deal there to be had.

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« Reply #10 on: July 13, 2016, 11:34:54 PM »

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Oh I agree moves will be made but what we actually give up and for who is really not how the media spins it.

I've been listening to this stuff for years. Never liked it and still don't.  It never happens how the media spins it either.

I used to have better things to do lol, but as a fan to get information it is what it is and I have really have to sift through so much to just get to what I thought in the first place and it sucks.

Unless DA says it really none of these guys are trustworthy.  It's a lot of noise.

Ainge is hardly trustworthy.  His word means nothing, imo.

This is the problem with the media though.  Usually he is very trustworthy. Minus Rondo I can't think of  a situation where he blatantly was trying to protect his own player like that.

I think for the most part Ainge is pretty honest and straightforward. The media don't think he is though and just run with stuff that's insulting to his intelligence.

Most of what Ainge does makes sense.  HE broke up the big 3 and Doc it was time to go. Stuff liek that even gets misconstrued by the media though.  Even Rondo was.  I don't think Rondo was this bad guy he was made out to be.  He just didn't fit here anymore. 

Those were situations where he played things close to his chest but if you look at it rationally he was just doing what needed to be done.

I question quite a bit that we need to sell all these assets for star players. I don't think that is what Ainge is tryiing to do.  What we have aren't just assets.  He's actually trying to build something where we can add pieces to that.

The fact Ainge has to protect the team from the media says a lot in and of itself anyways.
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« Reply #11 on: July 14, 2016, 12:59:32 AM »

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I think we could use a star, but I also think it's possible to compete without having that alphadog on your team. San Antonio won in 2014 without having that amazing superstar. Leonard wasn't in that level yet. Tim Duncan, Ginobili and Tony Parker were not in superstars status anymore. They won by team effort and great coaching. And I believe we can build something like that with time.

Once a superstar always a superstar..... you need to understand that.

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« Reply #12 on: July 14, 2016, 01:00:43 AM »

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I think we could use a star, but I also think it's possible to compete without having that alphadog on your team. San Antonio won in 2014 without having that amazing superstar. Leonard wasn't in that level yet. Tim Duncan, Ginobili and Tony Parker were not in superstars status anymore. They won by team effort and great coaching. And I believe we can build something like that with time.

Once a superstar always a superstar..... you need to understand that.
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« Reply #13 on: July 14, 2016, 09:04:12 AM »

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I agree we could use a a star too but there have to be deals out there.  I think our team as it stands a lot of these guys out the the guys mentioned are depth and potential roleplayers some day.  A lot of them are also somewhat redundant. Nader is similar to jerebko.  Yab does similar things to Olynyk.  Jackson is more depth at pg etc..  Not bad prospects but these guys aren't stars.  Someone could always surprise but I don't really see it with these guys.  They more give us flexibility as far as what we can do and added depth and guys to develop.

The constant focus on this by the media is what I don't understand more than anything.  It gets old.

I don't think Ainge is jumping at every star player that becomes available either. You have to give up something to get something but I would be somewhat disapointed if Ainge trades some of our core pieces to do that.

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« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2016, 09:09:34 AM »

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Quite a bit I think.  Will be interested to see the team this year.  Thing is, we have 3 players that I think have star potential (Smart, Brown, and Rozier) plus those two Nets picks. Not saying any of those 3 is a sure bet, but I think the potential is clearly there.   I don't want to gut the roster in a trade but we need firepower to get over Cleveland.  Lets not forget teams with a lot of talent and at least two "star" level players have crashed against Cleveland and been struck down (ATL and Toronto).

But I really like the attitude and composition of this team, plus Stevens coaching.
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