In the next major trade, Olynyk's a goner

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The Cs are suddenly pretty flush at the 4, with Horford (in spots), JJ (better than Olynyk?), Crowder (in spots), and Johnson (in spots) as vets, plus Yabu, Bentil and Zizic recently drafted. There's also a few interesting FA options out there, including A Randolph.

If the Cs trade for a PF like Griffin, I think it's a given KO goes in the deal. But even if they traded for Cousins or Westbrook, I still think he's the first rookie contract in the deal.

I also believe that if they trade for a 'star' they'll reluctantly let Smart go over trading the Nets 2017 pick.

[footey]

The Cs are suddenly pretty flush at the 4, with Horford (in spots), JJ (better than Olynyk?), Crowder (in spots), and Johnson (in spots) as vets, plus Yabu, Bentil and Zizic recently drafted. There's also a few interesting FA options out there, including A Randolph.

If the Cs trade for a PF like Griffin, I think it's a given KO goes in the deal. But even if they traded for Cousins or Westbrook, I still think he's the first rookie contract in the deal.

I also believe that if they trade for a 'star' they'll reluctantly let Smart go over trading the Nets 2017 pick.

Agree with your conclusion (likely to be included in a major trade) but disagree with your evidence: JJ not better than Olynyk, Bentil won't even make the team, Zizic is a true center, not even close to the skill set of Kelly (has he ever taken a 3??), and Yabu, who I really like, is not likely to play with the team this season.

[Ed Hollison]

Can't disagree more. Horford apparently has huge respect for Olynyk, rightly or wrongly. And you can make the case that the two of them would thrive together, being able to switch seamlessly between guarding the 4 and 5 positions, and with both able to shoot from distance.

Frustrating as he might be, Olynyk is a 7-footer who's good fundamentally, stretches the floor, and plays solid team defense. Assuming he's healthy he could be a major piece on a contending team. I'm not saying he's untouchable, but I don't think Ainge would part with him very easily.

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The Cs are suddenly pretty flush at the 4, with Horford (in spots), JJ (better than Olynyk?), Crowder (in spots), and Johnson (in spots) as vets, plus Yabu, Bentil and Zizic recently drafted. There's also a few interesting FA options out there, including A Randolph.

If the Cs trade for a PF like Griffin, I think it's a given KO goes in the deal. But even if they traded for Cousins or Westbrook, I still think he's the first rookie contract in the deal.

I also believe that if they trade for a 'star' they'll reluctantly let Smart go over trading the Nets 2017 pick.

Agree with your conclusion (likely to be included in a major trade) but disagree with your evidence: JJ not better than Olynyk, Bentil won't even make the team, Zizic is a true center, not even close to the skill set of Kelly (has he ever taken a 3??), and Yabu, who I really like, is not likely to play with the team this season.

Never said each of these players had the same skill set as Olynyk. Some bring KO's strength -- 3 point shooting -- to the table, some don't. My point is the team has invested heavily in the position. I forgot to mention Mickey.

As for Jerebko, he certainly offers far greater versatility and foot speed. If Olynyk is "better", the margin is pretty slim when you factor Kelly's inconsistency and injuries.

Re: Yabu and even Bentil, if the Cs did indeed trade 3-4 players in a package for a highly paid vet, one of those two is making the team this year.

[Kuberski33]

It would be tough for this team to give up his ability to hit 3's given that accuracy from out there is one of their weaknesses.

[Tr1boy]

No

KO is here to stay

[slamtheking]

I don't think KO is a goner in a trade by any means.  he's not untouchable but it would depend on who we're getting back in the deal.  if it's 4/5, I think KO is probably included.  if it's a PG or swing man, no, he's likely staying.

I don't think KO has a high value around the league -- not because of his skills, but because of his inconsistency.  it's that same reason that he'd even be considered in a trade.

as for the Smart comment, I think that's probably true regarding the 2017 Nets pick but probably not the 2018 pick (at this point -- if we still have both after this season and the Nets suffer another futile offseason next year, that 2018 probably goes nowhere). 

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Horford apparently has huge respect for Olynyk, rightly or wrongly.

Link?

The point is not that Olynyk isn't good or valuable. The point is the Cs will have to give value to get it. And the Cs have relative depth at the position.

[dannyboy35]

I'd love Olynyk to stay. I think he'll be a great support player. Maybe a 6 man candidate some day. I'd part with smart before Olynyk.

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as for the Smart comment, I think that's probably true regarding the 2017 Nets pick but probably not the 2018 pick (at this point -- if we still have both after this season and the Nets suffer another futile offseason next year, that 2018 probably goes nowhere).

Agree

[kozlodoev]

The Cs are suddenly pretty flush at the 4, with Horford (in spots), JJ (better than Olynyk?), Crowder (in spots), and Johnson (in spots) as vets, plus Yabu, Bentil and Zizic recently drafted. There's also a few interesting FA options out there, including A Randolph.

If the Cs trade for a PF like Griffin, I think it's a given KO goes in the deal. But even if they traded for Cousins or Westbrook, I still think he's the first rookie contract in the deal.

I also believe that if they trade for a 'star' they'll reluctantly let Smart go over trading the Nets 2017 pick.

First, Olynyk currently projects to be your backup 5. And then, neither of the new guys is ready to play. In reality, your big rotation right now is Amir, Horford, and Olynyk (and Jerebko, provided they're ready to give up the JJ at the 3 failed experiment). That's not enough -- we need to sign rotation bigs, not get rid of them.

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Too much homer in this thread defending KO's skill set. Misses the point.

Of the Cs regular rotation players, who would the Cs rather give up than Olynyk? Smart? Nope. Bradley? Nope. Crowder? Nope. Horford? Nope? Thomas? Nope. Johnson? Maybe, but he's less valuable due to contract / age. Jerebko? Maybe, but he's also less valuable due to contract / age.

Now youngs. Brown? Nope. Rozier? Doubt it. Mickey? Debatable, but I doubt it. 

Everything else falls in a diffent category. Young and Hunter don't yet qualify, and all else is a recent pick or a future pick.

[Ed Hollison]

Horford apparently has huge respect for Olynyk, rightly or wrongly.

Link?

The point is not that Olynyk isn't good or valuable. The point is the Cs will have to give value to get it. And the Cs have relative depth at the position.

Horford mentioned him by name several times during his introductory press conference. I don't have the exact quotes, sorry.

[i believe in brad]

The Cs are suddenly pretty flush at the 4, with Horford (in spots), JJ (better than Olynyk?), Crowder (in spots), and Johnson (in spots) as vets, plus Yabu, Bentil and Zizic recently drafted. There's also a few interesting FA options out there, including A Randolph.

If the Cs trade for a PF like Griffin, I think it's a given KO goes in the deal. But even if they traded for Cousins or Westbrook, I still think he's the first rookie contract in the deal.

I also believe that if they trade for a 'star' they'll reluctantly let Smart go over trading the Nets 2017 pick.

Unless I'm going crazy, I think we'd all rather give Smart over trading the Nets 2017 pick?  The issue is the other team also wants the 2017 pick over Smart.

[DefenseWinsChamps]

Unless Ainge has another trade to get a shooter, Olynyk may be one of the most important players on our team, not because of talent level, but because of our dearth of shooting in the rest of the linup.