The Wise Move Is To Trade For Okafor... Not Cousins

[Beat LA]

This kind of feels like choosing between the lesser of two evils, imo, lol .

Honest question - do you like anyone in the league? Lol all I ever see you post about players is negative things lol

I believe millennials are only allowed to enjoy things ironically.

I believe that both jpotter33 and myself are millennials, but it's nice to know that there's another member of the 'get off my lawn' crew on here (sarcasm), lol.  Ugh.

[jambr380]

The Cavs are working on a trade for Cousins as we speak. Love goes to Sacramento, and Cousins to Cleveland.

I just looked this up and there aren't any solid rumors confirming this is definitely happening (but you are right that there are rumblings). I am sure the Cavs would be very happy to dump off the disappointing Love for a premier superstar center in Cousins, but I can't imagine that would be what Sac wants. They would have just kept Rondo if that were the case.

[jpotter33]

This kind of feels like choosing between the lesser of two evils, imo, lol .

Honest question - do you like anyone in the league? Lol all I ever see you post about players is negative things lol

I believe millennials are only allowed to enjoy things ironically.

I believe that both jpotter33 and myself are millennials, but it's nice to know that there's another member of the 'get off my lawn' crew on here (sarcasm), lol.  Ugh.

Haha yeah, I'm in the millenial group, too.

I just had to ask the question, because it seems that lately outside of Rondo you've had only negative opinions of potential players rather than positive opinions lol

[Beat LA]

This kind of feels like choosing between the lesser of two evils, imo, lol .

Honest question - do you like anyone in the league? Lol all I ever see you post about players is negative things lol

I believe millennials are only allowed to enjoy things ironically.

I believe that both jpotter33 and myself are millennials, but it's nice to know that there's another member of the 'get off my lawn' crew on here (sarcasm), lol.  Ugh.

Haha yeah, I'm in the millenial group, too.

I just had to ask the question, because it seems that lately outside of Rondo you've had only negative opinions of potential players rather than positive opinions lol

It's fine - don't worry about it, lol . I like Demetrius Jackson and Bentil Bentil.  Does that count, haha?

[Beat LA]

The Main reason is we get to KEEP the Brooklyn picks.

Remember what Ainge has done with the first two ...

There's a solid chance one of those two BRK picks turns into a top 2 pick in one of the next two drafts.

Whatever you think of Ainge's drafting, when you're in the top 2 there's a really high chance you hit on a good player.

Didn't everyone say this prior to the draft, and then when he took Brown, even many of the people who trusted Danny on this pick from that thread went, "oh no."  I believe that those were alldaboston's exact words, lol .

Still, as much as I hated the pick, can we at least give Brown a chance before condemning him, lol?

Playing devil's advocate, though, if Brown is a bust, are people then going to defend Ainge by saying that he's never had a top 2 pick after saying that he never had a top 3 pick prior to this year? Lol, I'd insert the appropriate Castle gif, here, but apparently that annoys BitterJim, who has asked me to stop using it because his fandom for Nathan Fillion somehow makes it impossible for him to not give me Tommy Points every time he sees it, ahaha .

[guava_wrench]

The remaining Nets picks will likely not contribute much in the NBA before the Horford contract expires.

The Celtics want to get clearly superior talent like Cousins or Butler. If they are going to take a risk like Okafor, it can't cost much because we don't want to decrease our chances of getting a clear all star.

[crimson_stallion]

And it's not because of talent, because Cousins is clearly 5x better than Okafor right now...

But Okafor is on a rookie contract, so you could add Okafor and still have enough cap space to get a max-contract in 2017 (Griffin, Hayward or Westbrook) or 2018 (PG13, Harden, etc.)

Okafor could be a 20/10 big man under Stevens' system, and while he could be an offensive force who can rebound, Horford can help play defense inside the paint. It definitely makes a lot more sense having Okafor now that we have Horford. Stevens can definitely get the most out of Okafor and he does give us a post-scorer as well. I prefer Cousins, but Okafor might be the wisest move for the Celtics in the long term.

No offense, but are you stone cold crazy?

Demarcus Cousins is a top 5 (top 10 at least) player in this league and is only 25 years old.  Hes the best center in the NBA by a mile.

Hes making less money then Evan Turner.

You would have to he completely out of yout mind to take Okafor over Cousins.  What is the point of taking Okafor just to keep cap space?   Did you not learn anything from the Durant screnario this year? 

Cap space is nice because it gives you a chance to get a big time star...but to do that you have to defy all the odds, and that big time guy has to choose you over all the other 30 teams in the NBA.  Even with a n8ve roster and a ton of cap space, the probability of landing that big guy is slim.

If you can get a superstar of Cousins caliber now, gyaranteed, there is absolutrely no way in hell you turn that down for an infinitely inferior talent, just in the hope that MAYBE you can save enough cap space to sogn a superstar later on.  Thats ludicrous.

Lebron James, Anthony Davis, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry.

Those are the four guys in the league who you could argue MIGHT be better talents then Cousins.  Free Agency isnt bringing either if those guys in the door. 

Next year the cap rises to over $100m.  Any max contract frer agents we could sign would cost us at least $25m and at most $35m.  DMC us making around $15m- $17m a year for the remainder if his contract.  You do not turn that down.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

TP
Everyone wants to empty the bank for Butler or Cousins. If you look at Okafor and his tapes then trading for him is basically the easiest decision you could make.

[crimson_stallion]

The Cavs are working on a trade for Cousins as we speak. Love goes to Sacramento, and Cousins to Cleveland.

I just looked this up and there aren't any solid rumors confirming this is definitely happening (but you are right that there are rumblings). I am sure the Cavs would be very happy to dump off the disappointing Love for a premier superstar center in Cousins, but I can't imagine that would be what Sac wants. They would have just kept Rondo if that were the case.

Cousins would be a disaster in that dysfunctional Cavs l9cker room.  They had enough trouble keeping Kyrie abd Love getting along with Lebron...Cousins would explode there if he had to desl with Lebrons prima donna attitude.

[crimson_stallion]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

[Ogaju]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

So you are saying Boogie or Bust?

[walker834]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

There are people here who would take him, and not one nba GM would take him over Cousins? I don't know about that. Okafor is a big time prospect himself.  Both he and Cousins are the two best young big men in the NBA right now I feel.

Okafor is more a projection at this point is all. He was a rookie last year.  Times change pretty quick.

I think Cousins has the edge but I can see some GM's just not wanting Cousins on their team.

Cousins has some pretty big flags.  Okafor does as well in different ways.

[crimson_stallion]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

There are people here who would take him, and not one nba GM would take him over Cousins? I don't know about that. Okafor is a big time prospect himself.  Both he and Cousins are the two best young big men in the NBA right now I feel.

Okafor is more a projection at this point is all. He was a rookie last year.  Times change pretty quick.

I think Cousins has the edge but I can see some GM's just not wanting Cousins on their team.

Cousins has some pretty big flags.  Okafor does as well in different ways.

Because the preople on here are not GM's.

According to reports, there was not a single GM willing to trade a high lottery pick for Jahlil Okafor.  Reportedly they couldnt even get #6 for him.

Boston were offered Noel, Covington AND two late firsts for #3 and they declined it...and they valued Noel more than Okafor, which mean they fefinitely would have declined the same deal with Okafor in Noel's place.

You think Boston would have declined an offer of Cousins and two late firsts for #3?  I guarantee you that deal would have been done.

Demarcus Cousins is putting up "all time great" type numbers.  He's the undisputed best center in the NBA, and he might be the best big period (Cousins vs Davis is an argument that could go either way).

If Sacramento offered Cousins for any pick outside the top 2, i guarantee you hed be on another team by now.

You think Danny Ainge would trade Jaylen Brown for Demarcus Cousins right now if that deal was on the table?  You think he wouldnt have traded #3 for a 6'11" big man putting up 26/11/3?  Of course he would.  Its a no brainer.

Yet if he offered #3 to Philly for Okafor the Sixers would have taken the deal and probably would have erected a statue of Danny Ainge and worship it daily. 

Philly have four bigs (Embiid, Noel, Okafor and Simmons) amd of those four, Okafor is the guy they would most like to trade away.  I'm not sure what about that doesn't ring alarm bells for you guys. 

The GMs in Philly (and in all the other lottery teams who refused to trade their picks for Okafor) obviously do not think as highly of him as the select few fans on CelticsBlog do.

[GetLucky]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

There are people here who would take him, and not one nba GM would take him over Cousins? I don't know about that. Okafor is a big time prospect himself.  Both he and Cousins are the two best young big men in the NBA right now I feel.

Okafor is more a projection at this point is all. He was a rookie last year.  Times change pretty quick.

I think Cousins has the edge but I can see some GM's just not wanting Cousins on their team.

Cousins has some pretty big flags.  Okafor does as well in different ways.

Okafor isn't even the best big man in his draft class. That would be Karl-Anthony Towns. There's a case to be made that he's not even the second-best big in the class, as Porzingis is taller, has a game more fit for the modern NBA, and is a rim protector. And neither of the aforementioned guys got arrested for beating somebody up while drunk and under legal drinking age or driving 100 mph over a bridge.

[crimson_stallion]

Most here don't understand the concept of buying low. They want proven commodities and are willing to empty the cupboard for him. Okafor hasn't shown them enough and by the time he does, he won't be worth whatever the 76ers are willing to deal him for now.

Okafor has shown flashes of vast potential to combat with Cousins for the best offensive 5 in the league. Instead, the focus is placed on his negatives, while his are subsequently dismissed and vice cersa for Cousins. As long as he's dedicated and barring career threatening injury, he will be a star with or without the Celtics.

Okafor has zero chance if ever being even half the caliber of player Cousins is.   To even mention the two in the same sentence is laughable.

Cousins is a two way player, is a top 5 scorer, is an elite passing big, and has been one of the NBAs top rebounders since his rookie year.

Okafor is a skilled post scorer who is poor-to-mediocre in every single other aspect of the game.

Taking Okafor over Cousins to save money would be like taking Booker over Steph Curry because Booker is younger and is on a rookie ontract.

Given the choice would you rather trade for Booker on the cheap, or trade for Curry at whatever price it costs?

I already know the answer any sane person would give.

Dont allow your obvious personal / emotional bias against Cousins (or for Okafor) cloud your judgement of this proposed scenario. No GM in basketball takes Okafor over a 25 year old Cousins on a $16m a year contract.  Not one.

If we cant get a big name star then i am all for trading to acquire Okafor on the cheap.   Would be thrilled to do that.  If we have a shot at a legit superstar however, then no way in hell.

There are people here who would take him, and not one nba GM would take him over Cousins? I don't know about that. Okafor is a big time prospect himself.  Both he and Cousins are the two best young big men in the NBA right now I feel.

Okafor is more a projection at this point is all. He was a rookie last year.  Times change pretty quick.

I think Cousins has the edge but I can see some GM's just not wanting Cousins on their team.

Cousins has some pretty big flags.  Okafor does as well in different ways.

For the love of god, please tell me you did NOT just say Jahlil Okafor is better then Anthony Davis...because if you did, no words you write on this forum will ever be taken seriously again.