summer league observations

[Beat LA]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

[RockinRyA]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

No resistance? Now you are claiming you know what went through the workouts? You really are crazy.  Workouts arent just solo, they go against guys as well. STOP PRETENDING YOU KNOW EVERYTHING ESP MORE THAN THE INAIDE GUYS! Its getting ridiculous beat la, it really is.

[Alleyoopster]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

Two shoulder surgeries...may have received word from the medical staff that it was likely to be problematic for the rest of his career.

[libermaniac]

Kris Dunn averaged 5.7 ppg and 3.2 assists in 27 minutes per game his freshman year in college.  Jaylen Brown blows that away.  You are not comparing apples to apples when you compare Dunn to Brown today.  Let's see where Brown is in 3 years and compare that to where Dunn is today.

[byennie]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

You make an awful lot of baseless assumptions about the intelligence of the Celtics' scouts and staff. Gee, I'm sure they've never considered the value of a shooting drill vs game tape, vs full contact workouts. What you just described isn't based on fact, it's you painting a picture to match your opinion.

[tarheelsxxiii]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

You make an awful lot of baseless assumptions about the intelligence of the Celtics' scouts and staff. Gee, I'm sure they've never considered the value of a shooting drill vs game tape, vs full contact workouts. What you just described isn't based on fact, it's you painting a picture to match your opinion.

How are they baseless? Dunn showed you in one game how he is vastly superior to Brown. What more do you want?

[Monkhouse]

Dunn is so overrated by some users here on this blog that its surprising that no one else wants to give a chance at a young 19 year old, who has the potential to be a two-way player at a very young age, ala Kawhi Leonard.

I also love Brown's attitude. And honestly? Is Dunn really that good? Or is he simply a product or polished college game, and being next to one of the best scorers in the NCAA in Bentil? People forget how good Bentil and Dunn are...

Dunn is definitely going to look amazing next to KAT, Lavine, and Wiggins, but I'm not so sure he's that 'superstar,' of a player everyone keeps touting he is.

And to be perfectly honest, I'm going to call it out here right here, and right now.

Terry Rozier if given the chance will be a better point guard than Dunn. I don't know why people think Dunn is an skilled passer, when he clearly is not. In fact, Dunn and Rozier in my eyes, have really similar games. So why take a chance on a player that literally doesn't move the needle, and isn't even the best player available? Why because scouts/mock drafts think he is?

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

You make an awful lot of baseless assumptions about the intelligence of the Celtics' scouts and staff. Gee, I'm sure they've never considered the value of a shooting drill vs game tape, vs full contact workouts. What you just described isn't based on fact, it's you painting a picture to match your opinion.

How are they baseless? Dunn showed you in one game how he is vastly superior to Brown. What more do you want?

The fact that you think Dunn is 'vastly,' superior to Brown over one game in summer league of all games, literally tells me your assumptions are clearly baseless.

[footey]

Is it not possible that both Dunn and Brown are going to excel in the Association?

Why does everything have to be so binary?

I would have been fine with either pick, but figured Dunn (or one of our other guards) becoming a trading chip.

Looking forward to Brown's next game? Is he playing today?

[Surferdad]

I find it amusing that folks are reaching new conclusions on either Dunn or Brown after a couple of SL games.  If there is one league that has proven to not be a good indicator of future success, it is SL.  By the eye test alone, the game does not resemble real NBA.  Guys are running full-speed up and down the court, to get an open shot.  Defense is mostly minimal.  Bad turnovers are abundant.  There are almost no set plays.

All that said, I would say that older players generally do better, or appear to be better.  It is a simple maturity thing, in basketball terms.  The more games you play, the more experience you have in deceiving your defender, or getting to the right spots.  It seems to be unrelated to actual talent.

[Celtics4ever]

Dunn is so overrated by some users here on this blog that its surprising that no one else wants to give a chance at a young 19 year old, who has the potential to be a two-way player at a very young age, ala Kawhi Leonard.

Local prospects are always usually over-rated.   As our players that we have folks thought some of our free agents would make 10-18 million but so far no callers.   This ought to illustrate that people get pretty green tinted opinions on local players and our players.

The thing that worries me about Dunn is the shoulder injuries.

The surgery will be the second in 18 months for the 6-foot-3 Dunn. He had surgery on the labrum in his right shoulder in July 2012, before he enrolled at PC

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20131211/SPORTS/312119989


Prognosis
Patients who undergo arthroscopic repair can expect shorter recovery times and less pain. Those undergoing open surgery should expect more pain, longer recovery, and in some cases incomplete shoulder rotation.

Regardless of treatment type, almost all athletes are advised to wear a sling for the first four weeks post-surgery to protect the shoulder as it heals. Following surgery, athletes may require six months to one year for full recovery, with overhead throwing athletes taking the longest.

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“If fixed properly, most athletes should be able to return to at least 80 percent of their pre-injury level of play,” says Dr. Fealy.
https://www.hss.edu/conditions_shoulder-labrum-tears-overview.asp

That 80% is scary.  Hopefully, he has a long and healthy career.  He has real talent.   I think both Brown and Dunn will have good careers.  Note careers does not indicate a star, it is too early to predict.   But both have NBA size, and athletic ability.

[Surferdad]

Is it not possible that both Dunn and Brown are going to excel in the Association?

Why does everything have to be so binary?

I would have been fine with either pick, but figured Dunn (or one of our other guards) becoming a trading chip.

Looking forward to Brown's next game? Is he playing today?

Yes, I heard both Brown and Mickey will play, prolly Hunter too.

Rozier
Hunter/Young
Brown
Abusele
Mickey
off the bench:  Bentil, Jackson, Pinkston, Nader, Miller

Hope Thornton gets zero time.  Not a fan of that ball hog and he is not making this team so why bother.

[rollie mass]

i remember smarts draft year gordon,randle,parker exum,smart all went down
so i'm wondering if the pushing of young bodies before these kids climatize to the stress and pace put on them-just a theory
some of these kids may run on redline-the college season ends in march ,then workouts pushing to the max
 then utah and las vegas back to back with everybody flying around and throwing there bodies  about without regard-this is serious stuff out there-

[RockinRyA]

^ I just can't understand Ainge's rationale for choosing Brown over Dunn. I really can't. I'm trying to come up with one reason why he would make that decision, and like you crimson, I had Brown as a (distant) second option. It just makes no sense to me.

I believe the line he used was that he 'didn't want to get stuck with Dunn' . Yeah, who would ever want to get stuck with Kris (sarcasm), lol.  I believe he also said that he liked how Brown came in and worked out against guys, or something . Again, give me a break.  Dunn 'worked out' against guys for at least two years, as injuries prevented him from playing much of his first two seasons, iirc, but yeah, because this guy shot well in drills with no resistance, yeah, let's take him (sarcasm) . Anyone can cook a workout.  Darko reportedly looked like a first ballot hall of famer in his - woo.  Workouts are meaningless, for the most part, imo.  Just watch the games.  If you want to measure someone's mental toughness, don't make them run forever at the end of a workout - watch them when things aren't going their way and how they perform under pressure.  Geesh.  Maybe someone should tweet this at Ainge, lol -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htKmohZr6j8

You make an awful lot of baseless assumptions about the intelligence of the Celtics' scouts and staff. Gee, I'm sure they've never considered the value of a shooting drill vs game tape, vs full contact workouts. What you just described isn't based on fact, it's you painting a picture to match your opinion.

How are they baseless? Dunn showed you in one game how he is vastly superior to Brown. What more do you want?

So in 1 game, we can say that you know things that the Celtics scouts and staff dont? okay, looks like we have another all-knowing guy apart from Beat LA here.

[RockinRyA]

Dunn is so overrated by some users here on this blog that its surprising that no one else wants to give a chance at a young 19 year old, who has the potential to be a two-way player at a very young age, ala Kawhi Leonard.

Local prospects are always usually over-rated.   As our players that we have folks thought some of our free agents would make 10-18 million but so far no callers.   This ought to illustrate that people get pretty green tinted opinions on local players and our players.

The thing that worries me about Dunn is the shoulder injuries.

The surgery will be the second in 18 months for the 6-foot-3 Dunn. He had surgery on the labrum in his right shoulder in July 2012, before he enrolled at PC

http://www.providencejournal.com/article/20131211/SPORTS/312119989


Prognosis
Patients who undergo arthroscopic repair can expect shorter recovery times and less pain. Those undergoing open surgery should expect more pain, longer recovery, and in some cases incomplete shoulder rotation.

Regardless of treatment type, almost all athletes are advised to wear a sling for the first four weeks post-surgery to protect the shoulder as it heals. Following surgery, athletes may require six months to one year for full recovery, with overhead throwing athletes taking the longest.

Code: [Select]

“If fixed properly, most athletes should be able to return to at least 80 percent of their pre-injury level of play,” says Dr. Fealy.
https://www.hss.edu/conditions_shoulder-labrum-tears-overview.asp

That 80% is scary.  Hopefully, he has a long and healthy career.  He has real talent.   I think both Brown and Dunn will have good careers.  Note careers does not indicate a star, it is too early to predict.   But both have NBA size, and athletic ability.

While I like Dunn (as I said I wanted him as our 3rd pick) I think this is part of the reason why we didn't draft him. He had injury history and we didn't get to work him out or see his medical records (it was witheld). IMHO that is what made him a risky pick, aside from the logjam it wouldve created.

[Bobshot]

I see Dunn had a big game for Minnesota yesterday. I also see Maker (drafted #10 by Bucks) had a big game. Ainge may have made a mistake not drafting Dunn to keep. Maker is anybody's guess, but the physical attributes are there.

I was disturbed by Brown's first game with the Celtics. Watching him trying to jump thru the ceiling over 3 guys to dunk. Great stuff for ESPN highlights, but not typical Boston Celtics.

They showed Durant's first D-league game in '07.  Durant went to the basket a lot, scored a lot of points, but layups off the backboard. No showtime stuff.