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Would adding Cousins and Butler make us a true threat to the Cavs/Warriors?

Yes
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Offline chambers

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I think this team does pretty well with Brad in charge.
Defenders to guard Curry/Durant in switches and on the perimeter and legitimate size that can stretch the floor.
Draymond Green would have a hard time stopping us scoring inside. Seems like a good antedote to the small ball death squad.

Biggest issue is we'd probably lose two of BradleyS/Smart/Crowder/Brown if we acquired Cousins and Jimmy.
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Butler
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Bradley
Smart
Jaylen
KO
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edit:
Just to stop the 'how the hell can we get those guys?!? rager posts..some rough realistic trade scenarios...

Cousins and the Kings reach boiling point and they decide to deal him with 1.5 seasons left on his deal.
Rondo and Jimmy don't get a long, Jimmy gets more and more frustrated with the Bulls and Hoiberg.

1) Jaylen+2018 nets pick+Memphis pick+ Zizic+Hunter for Cousins

and then

2)Smart+2017 Nets pick+18' C's pick for Butler.

Leaves us with Crowder or Bradley as the 6th man and a badass starting 5.
« Last Edit: July 05, 2016, 01:45:09 PM by chambers »
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

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I think this team does pretty well with Brad in charge.
Defenders to guard Curry/Durant in switches and on the perimeter and legitimate size that can stretch the floor.
Draymond Green would have a hard time stopping us scoring inside. Seems like a good antedote to the small ball death squad.

Biggest issue is we'd probably lose two of BradleyS/Smart/Crowder/Brown if we acquired Cousins and Jimmy.
IT
Butler
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Bradley
Smart
Jaylen
KO
Jerebko

how exactly are you going to acquire Cousins and Butler and still have all those players on the team?
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Offline Csfan1984

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Of course but that would be a league conspiracy to get all those guys to C's given the trade assets available. They could get one of them not both nor would they keep so many good rotation players.

Offline chambers

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I think this team does pretty well with Brad in charge.
Defenders to guard Curry/Durant in switches and on the perimeter and legitimate size that can stretch the floor.
Draymond Green would have a hard time stopping us scoring inside. Seems like a good antedote to the small ball death squad.

Biggest issue is we'd probably lose two of BradleyS/Smart/Crowder/Brown if we acquired Cousins and Jimmy.
IT
Butler
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Bradley
Smart
Jaylen
KO
Jerebko

how exactly are you going to acquire Cousins and Butler and still have all those players on the team?

If you read the OP, it states that two of those four mentioned players would probably be moved (along with other assets) to acquire Butler and Cousins- which is potentially possible.

Regardless, the question is, could that team beat GSW and Cleveland or is it a pretender?
I think it's a legit challenger to the Cavs and gives the Warriors a real run in a finals series.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Offline chambers

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I guess the question is, does this become Danny's next plan?

eg:
Cousins and the Kings reach boiling point and they decide to deal him with 1.5 seasons left on his deal.
Rondo and Jimmy don't get a long, Jimmy gets more and more frustrated with the Bulls and Hoiberg.

1) Jaylen+2018 nets pick+Memphis pick+ Zizic+Hunter for Cousins

and then

2)Smart+2017 Nets pick+18' C's pick for Butler.

Leaves us with Crowder or Bradley as the 6th man and a badass starting 5.
"We are lucky we have a very patient GM that isn't willing to settle for being good and coming close. He wants to win a championship and we have the potential to get there still with our roster and assets."

quoting 'Greg B' on RealGM after 2017 trade deadline.
Read that last line again. One more time.

Offline Monkhouse

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Would rather roll the dice, and see if a Westbrook/Cousins duo could work. Keep Smart/AB, and try to see if we can go after Hayward in the off-season, or keep Crowder.
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Why would you include Jaylen and Smart in your bolded line-up when you traded them away a paragraph below?
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Of course it would.

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We don't have enough trade assets to acquire both. The strategy would have to be one guy in trade, one guy in 2017 free agency.


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Offline Fafnir

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Yeah adding two all-nba/all star players would definitely put us into the title contenders.

Now how the heck do we do so is the question.

Offline Celtic_Pride777

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Of course it does, but how do you even get those players on this team?

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I think this team does pretty well with Brad in charge.
Defenders to guard Curry/Durant in switches and on the perimeter and legitimate size that can stretch the floor.
Draymond Green would have a hard time stopping us scoring inside. Seems like a good antedote to the small ball death squad.

Biggest issue is we'd probably lose two of BradleyS/Smart/Crowder/Brown if we acquired Cousins and Jimmy.
IT
Butler
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Bradley
Smart
Jaylen
KO
Jerebko

how exactly are you going to acquire Cousins and Butler and still have all those players on the team?

If you read the OP, it states that two of those four mentioned players would probably be moved (along with other assets) to acquire Butler and Cousins- which is potentially possible.

Regardless, the question is, could that team beat GSW and Cleveland or is it a pretender?
I think it's a legit challenger to the Cavs and gives the Warriors a real run in a finals series.
But that is the thing if you don't know what the package is, how can you know what the team is?
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Offline dark_lord

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too many "ifs" and "buts" for this to be a reality.  adding two all stars will help, but i don't trust, nor want cousins.  so to keep things simple...."no". never going to happen anyway

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I think this team does pretty well with Brad in charge.
Defenders to guard Curry/Durant in switches and on the perimeter and legitimate size that can stretch the floor.
Draymond Green would have a hard time stopping us scoring inside. Seems like a good antedote to the small ball death squad.

Biggest issue is we'd probably lose two of BradleyS/Smart/Crowder/Brown if we acquired Cousins and Jimmy.
IT
Butler
Crowder
Horford
Cousins

Bradley
Smart
Jaylen
KO
Jerebko


edit:
Just to stop the 'how the hell can we get those guys?!? rager posts..some rough realistic trade scenarios...

Cousins and the Kings reach boiling point and they decide to deal him with 1.5 seasons left on his deal.
Rondo and Jimmy don't get a long, Jimmy gets more and more frustrated with the Bulls and Hoiberg.

1) Jaylen+2018 nets pick+Memphis pick+ Zizic+Hunter for Cousins

and then

2)Smart+2017 Nets pick+18' C's pick for Butler.

Leaves us with Crowder or Bradley as the 6th man and a badass starting 5.
Boston can't trade its 2017 pick and then both picks in 2018, thus making those trades collectively impossible.  That also isn't nearly enough value for Butler and probably isn't enough for Cousins (that depends more on how much Sacto likes Brown). 
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Offline CelticGuardian

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How will they materialize on our roster? With the current NBA landscape, I say we hold on to our picks and wait these two superteams out...