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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #60 on: July 05, 2016, 02:15:21 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

Have you been paying attention to the way Presti runs things? Westbrook is going to get traded.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #61 on: July 05, 2016, 02:16:11 PM »

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There was a poll on twitter that Jeff retweeted from some Celtics media:

Smart, Brown, and both 2017/2018 BKN picks for Westbrook yes/no?

 ::)
potentially horrible trade.  I really don't think Westbrook would be a good fit here.  His stats are inflated for a number of reasons.  Even durant hated playing with him.

Yeah, that has the potential to be absolutely disastrous for our franchise. We are talking about four top 5 picks (I know Smart was #6) for a player who could leave next year. I would rather bring in Tom Brady and the gang next year to woo Westbrook on our infinite potential as a championship team for years to come.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #62 on: July 05, 2016, 02:16:55 PM »

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There was a poll on twitter that Jeff retweeted from some Celtics media:

Smart, Brown, and both 2017/2018 BKN picks for Westbrook yes/no?

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potentially horrible trade.  I really don't think Westbrook would be a good fit here.  His stats are inflated for a number of reasons.  Even durant hated playing with him.

Horrible or not, I think that's about what it would take.

Eh, I think you could take out one of the BKN picks. I get OKC will look for a large return but they also know about Westbrook's contract situation and so do the other teams. Maybe replace one of the BKN picks with something of lesser value and OKC could still accept it.

I'm not for getting Westbrook but that's a solid deal to get him. Definitely shouldn't require BOTH BKN picks.
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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #63 on: July 05, 2016, 02:17:34 PM »

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Westbrook to LA, Paul to Cleveland, Irving to OKC.

Westbrook is then in LA but on a championship level team.  Paul gets to play with his friend in Cleveland and it makes Cleveland a bit better next year thus increasing the chances to repeat.  OKC gets a young stud PG that fits better in their new youth movement, who can still sell tickets, but won't take OKC out of a lottery pick in the next draft.

CLE just won NBA title with Irving as much a reason as LBJ. Doubt CLE would make that trade. 

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #64 on: July 05, 2016, 02:18:31 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

Have you been paying attention to the way Presti runs things? Westbrook is going to get traded.

One would think out of the Western Conference, too, but given the Thunder's situation Presti may not mind dealing with the Lakers.
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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #65 on: July 05, 2016, 02:19:46 PM »

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Westbrook is a bad fit on this team. I'll just say that. What Durant did will soon start forcing other small markets teams hands though. They'll be much more inclined to trade their stars earlier if they think he'll bolt. This is what Ainge has been waiting on.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #66 on: July 05, 2016, 02:30:54 PM »

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There was a poll on twitter that Jeff retweeted from some Celtics media:

Smart, Brown, and both 2017/2018 BKN picks for Westbrook yes/no?

 ::)
potentially horrible trade.  I really don't think Westbrook would be a good fit here.  His stats are inflated for a number of reasons.  Even durant hated playing with him.

Horrible or not, I think that's about what it would take.
Then Westbrook is staying in OKC. No one is trading 2 lottery pick talents and 2 future unprotected lottery likely picks for a rental.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #67 on: July 05, 2016, 02:32:33 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

Have you been paying attention to the way Presti runs things? Westbrook is going to get traded.
Yeah he's definitely going to be moved. But given the contract situation Presti is going to end up accepting less than he got for Harden.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #68 on: July 05, 2016, 02:34:02 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

Have you been paying attention to the way Presti runs things? Westbrook is going to get traded.
Yeah he's definitely going to be moved. But given the contract situation Presti is going to end up accepting less than he got for Harden.
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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #69 on: July 05, 2016, 02:34:11 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

Have you been paying attention to the way Presti runs things? Westbrook is going to get traded.
Yeah he's definitely going to be moved. But given the contract situation Presti is going to end up accepting less than he got for Harden.

Eh, that wasn't very much to begin with, and Westbrook is much better than Harden was at that point. Harden didn't really show how offensively good he was until he actually got to Houston. He certainly won't command that much without an extension or agreement to re-sign, but from like a Lakers perspective, he's probably costing no less than Ingram and Russell. So that's probably equivalent to Smart and Brown or one of them and at least one of the Brooklyn picks/swaps.
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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #70 on: July 05, 2016, 02:42:56 PM »

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There was a poll on twitter that Jeff retweeted from some Celtics media:

Smart, Brown, and both 2017/2018 BKN picks for Westbrook yes/no?

 ::)

If he's open to extending, I'd certainly do that.

If he's standoffish, probably not.

Interestingly, it sounds like Westbrook would be, according to the OKC media. They say he is open to playing in California or the northeast, because of his affection for the style scene.

Westbrook is not extending with ANYONE. That's not going to happen, so let's remove that variable from the equation. It makes ZERO sense for him financially, or anyone for that matter who can actually play, to accept an extension this season.

Everyone will hit the free-agency and take advantage of the increasing cap and maximum salaries next year. Further than that Westbrook is surely going to bolt to a team in LA, I can almost guarantee it.

Um, why?

Would an extension not be the maximum for five yea...oh wait, I get it. New maximum. [dang]. Wow. You're right. ****. That spoils a lot of options if you're right. But as a silver lining, it opens up a lot of one-year rental options. We have a lot of expendable assets.

Isn't the new max coming in 2018 offseason?  I'm sure a team like the Lakers would take him if he agreed to a one year extension on his current deal.  They will assume he'd resign with them under the new max.  They can offer Russell, Randle, Picks and salary.  Am I wrong on the viability of Lakers as a near future trade option?  Doesn't concern me if the Lakers get him.  So much building to do and no chance to catch Warriors...

I was listening to 98.5 when Mannix made his statements about the Celtics being in position to go after Westbrook ... and my head nearly exploded.   This has rapidly become one of the most ludicrous diversions in this entire off-season.

As others have mentioned, financially it makes ZERO sense for Westbrook or any soon-to-be-free-agent to agree to an extension right now, no matter what team they are on, given that the cap is about to jump by ~11%.   Agreeing to an extension now would cost Westbrook tens of millions of dollars.  It's not going to happen. So we can just drop the 'extension' talk right now.

Second, because of that, any trade for Westbrook has to be done with the idea that he is a one-year rental.    You should ONLY give up only nominal value for a rental unless you have a very strong conviction that the player is likely to sign a new contract with you the following off-season.

Third, everything about Westbrook points to LA.   He's a Long Beach, CA, kid.  He loves southern cal.  He went to UCLA.  He has strong interests in the fashion industry.  He bought a 4.65M mansion in Beverly Hills last year ( http://www.tmz.com/2015/12/09/russell-westbrook-scott-disick-home-photos/ ).   So unless you are a Los Angeles area team, why would you have a strong conviction he will want to stay with you?

Fourth, the Los Angeles Lakers (one of the two teams that arguably might have a strong conviction that he would want to sign with them next year) will have a gigantic amount of cap space next year.  They will have absolutely NO problem making a max contract offer for Westbrook.   And that will be true no matter who Westbrook plays for between now and then.

All signs point to the Lakers being in position to not only make a strong run at Westbrook, but actually getting him easily.

The only other teams that might draw his interest on a personal level would be the Clippers (who would have to decide to trade Paul) or one of the NY teams.

Now, the question becomes whether the Lakers would look like a good enough 'basketball' destination that he would want to go there.   After all, they are likely to tank again this coming season because Philadelphia owns their top-3 protected pick.   The Lakers could look like cold gravy spilled on a dirty kitchen floor by the end of this coming season.  Very unattractive.

But consider that they have just added Ingram on top of two prior top-7 picks and will likely add another next year and at that point will have a ton of cap space available to try to buy a complete turn-around.   They will have no incentive to continue to be bad, given that Philly will own LA's 2018 pick out-right.   Selling the idea to Westbrook that he could be the local, prodigal son that they build a new Laker dynasty around should be an easy sell.

All that said, I won't assert that Westbrook will not get traded.  Presti will certainly not want to watch a second major asset walk away in free agency and not get _something_.   But any team other than one of the LA teams would be stupid to trade more than minimal, one-year-rental value for him.   Because they should have no illusions about keeping him.   There are stupid GMs out there, of course.   I don't believe Danny is one of them.

And frankly, for the Lakers, it makes more sense to tank this year and wait until next summer to go after Westbrook.   If they traded for Westbrook now, they risk being 'too good', still in the lottery but not in the top-3.  Which would convey that pick to Philly.  They are better off being patient and trying to position themselves for a one-year turnaround next year.

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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #71 on: July 05, 2016, 02:56:40 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

They've already said that they're going to listen to offers for him, i.e. they're going to trade him for the best package that has a reasonable shot of keeping him next year.

I would bet you a million TP's that they trade him. Presti would get fired if he let two MVP-type talents walk out on him in two consecutive summers without getting anything from them, especially with Westbrook who is almost guaranteed to leave for a bigger market somewhere.

I have no doubt they are hearing offers. I have no doubt that in earnest, Presti doesn't want (and probably cant afford) to lose another big fish for nothing. But, if you are Presti, how do you sell your fans on the slop that you are going to get back knowing that any team that trades for this fella is going to be worried that he bolts after year 1 (which is likely, unless its the Lakers or Clippers)? If you are another (non LA) team, what the hell can you really offer? Presti is going to Danny Ainge the Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. out of Westbrook, push for top dollar, and maybe ultimately deal him for two stale cookies and lottery spin, but I think the fans are disappointed either way.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #72 on: July 05, 2016, 03:00:49 PM »

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1. These guys literally know nothing, Jon Snow.

2. OKC isn't going to trade Westbrook. They don't have a pedigree like the Celtics. They need butts in seats, and draft picks and mediocre (next to Westbrook) players are not going to keep people coming to games. The reason this franchise has thrived is KD and Westbrook.

3. They will hold on to hope that they can bring in someone else that helps him consider re-signing, but they will fail and lose him for nothing.

They've already said that they're going to listen to offers for him, i.e. they're going to trade him for the best package that has a reasonable shot of keeping him next year.

I would bet you a million TP's that they trade him. Presti would get fired if he let two MVP-type talents walk out on him in two consecutive summers without getting anything from them, especially with Westbrook who is almost guaranteed to leave for a bigger market somewhere.

I have no doubt they are hearing offers. I have no doubt that in earnest, Presti doesn't want (and probably cant afford) to lose another big fish for nothing. But, if you are Presti, how do you sell your fans on the slop that you are going to get back knowing that any team that trades for this fella is going to be worried that he bolts after year 1 (which is likely, unless its the Lakers or Clippers)? If you are another (non LA) team, what the hell can you really offer? Presti is going to Danny Ainge the **** out of Westbrook, push for top dollar, and maybe ultimately deal him for two stale cookies and lottery spin, but I think the fans are disappointed either way.

You're not going to get slop back. He's an MVP-level talent, and even with his contract situation, he's going to bring you two or more excellent picks or prospects back. The going rate is going to be something like Russell and Ingram or Smart and Brown or Brown and a Brooklyn pick, etc. That gives them an excellent core to build around their next team, especially after their acquiring of Oladipo and Sabonis.
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Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #73 on: July 05, 2016, 03:01:00 PM »

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I have a feeling 76ers are going to make a move on this.

Re: Mannix on CSNNE/Toucher & Rich: Speculating Westbrook will be traded
« Reply #74 on: July 05, 2016, 03:06:43 PM »

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I have a feeling 76ers are going to make a move on this.

That would be one of the dumbest trades then, because Westbrook is definitely not going to re-sign there.
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