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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #15 on: July 05, 2016, 10:23:09 AM »

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Probably not.

It's water under the bridge at this point.

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #16 on: July 05, 2016, 10:24:48 AM »

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I think Danny thought he would be gone by 23, in part because he was a high upside prospect who could be stashed potentially.

Danny has shown the last two drafts he's not big on drafting "BPA as determined by mocks by third parties"


 Yab is also shorter than advertised. I think he's 6'6" and change with his shoes off.

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His size for a forward is fine I'm not sure why you're worried about it.

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #17 on: July 05, 2016, 10:27:40 AM »

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The dancing bear has higher upside than Ellenson. Ellenson has continually been an inefficient shooter, but shoots a lot anyway. He has some ability, but he reminds me too much of Charlie Villanueva.

I think Yab needs to spend a lot of time in the film room to work on his IQ, but I like his upside.

Floor is Brandon Bass.

Ceiling is Paul Milsap.

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #18 on: July 05, 2016, 10:45:13 AM »

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May take a little bit to get adjust to America and the NBA game but his ceiling is high.. If he puts it together, with his size, speed and athletic ability he presents a very unique player..  He is the most unique player to come up in the last decade or so..
Can be a monster on both sides of the ball..
whether he pans out is another question but At 16 I feel he was well worth the pick..  It's up to the Coaches to mold the guy.


Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2016, 10:54:54 AM »

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I think Danny added the player that would best help the Celtics at 16, so in a way, he did draft the best player available. His the thing, Yab probably has the highest ceiling of anyone chosen after him and can be stashed. The Celtics needed exactly that.

They needed a high ceiling guy to swing for the fences on given they have several players on the roster who are young and who's ceiling are those of role players. Yabusele has starter to All-Star ceiling potential if he continues to stay in great shape, learns the game more, and develops his skills. The C's needed to come out of this draft with two guys with that type of ceiling.

Unfortunately for Yabusele, has has only been playing the game for 4 years. His basketball knowledge probably isn't high enough right now(and probably won't be for two years) for him to warrant a roster spot on an NBA team. So he needs someplace to develop and overseas is the best option

Why is overseas the best option? Because as others have said the Celtics need the roster spot this year for a veteran if they are going to try to get past the first round of the playoffs and because then they don't have to play Yabusele. He's locked into a 2016 16th pick salary slot when he does get here. That will help the future cap situation.

Now could Ellenson, Brice or someone else possibly have helped this team sooner than two years from now? Possibly, but their upsides aren't as high as Yab and this team is filled with young players that really don't project as NBA starters and in Danny's book, and mine, neither did those guys

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #20 on: July 05, 2016, 11:24:40 AM »

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I think Danny thought he would be gone by 23, in part because he was a high upside prospect who could be stashed potentially.

This is what was being reported on draft night when people were trying to make sense of the pick.  it's not like this kid wasn't a first round consideration, just not as high as 16.  This is a similar situation to picking Rozier at 16 last year --> wasn't going to slide to the next pick the C's had.

He seems like he's got the potential to be a solid pro.  While I would have like to have gotten a player that was more established and readier to contribute this year, I can see the thinking behind grabbing an obvious stash player at 16 particularly if Danny was planning to make major FA additions. 

Personally, if Danny was taking the stash path with 16 and 23, I probably would have preferred he grab both Zizic and Zubac to increase the chances we come out of this draft with at least one solid prospect at center instead of 1.

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #21 on: July 05, 2016, 11:48:11 AM »

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Yeah, Yab feels like a reach. Especially after watching him struggle in SL yesterday. I definitely would rather we took Baldwin 16th, and who cares if we have a roster spot for Ben Bentil.

We should give Yab a chance, but yeah.

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #22 on: July 05, 2016, 11:50:40 AM »

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The players at that point in the draft were all of such a similar level that I think the pick was just fine.  Look at guys like Bentil and Jackson that went super late (and seem pretty capable).  I think it is a bit of a bet on development and that's smart with our roster.  He took a player with more potential and I'm happy about it.

To me he looked not ready on defense but I saw promise in him.  I doubt he plays this year but that's just fine.
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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #23 on: July 05, 2016, 11:57:57 AM »

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It'd be shocking if you could find any other team in the league who considered that guy the BPA at 16.

Even one.
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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #24 on: July 05, 2016, 11:58:29 AM »

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Well, reportedly Ainge's first choice at 16 was Hernangomez , but he was gone, so Yabusele was the next stash candidate on his list, so yes, Ainge went with the best stash candidate rather than the best player. Taking Zizic with the other late 1st reaffirms this. 2nd round picks don't have guarantee contract requirements that first rounders do, which is why he took Bentil and Jackson there instead of more stash guys.

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« Reply #25 on: July 05, 2016, 12:04:39 PM »

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I think Danny thought he would be gone by 23, in part because he was a high upside prospect who could be stashed potentially.

Danny has shown the last two drafts he's not big on drafting "BPA as determined by mocks by third parties"


 Yab is also shorter than advertised. I think he's 6'6" and change with his shoes off.

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His size for a forward is fine I'm not sure why you're worried about it.
and the bolded may mean that danny was correct in picking yabusele at 16. at least one other GM, it appears, agreed that he has the talent to be selected in the late teens, and would have done so.

i was surprised by the yabusele pick, but after watching a few videos i can see a player who is very athletic, big, and a great shooter from outside. yeah, not my choice but yabusele is certainly not out of line or a tremendous stretch.
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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #26 on: July 05, 2016, 02:29:15 PM »

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Chad Ford tweeted that he thought Yabusele would go between 20 and 35.  I think it is correct for the Celtics to draft the long-term BPA regardless of position and not the player most likely to step in and make an immediate contribution off the bench.
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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #27 on: July 05, 2016, 02:37:02 PM »

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Well, reportedly Ainge's first choice at 16 was Hernangomez , but he was gone, so Yabusele was the next stash candidate on his list, so yes, Ainge went with the best stash candidate rather than the best player. Taking Zizic with the other late 1st reaffirms this. 2nd round picks don't have guarantee contract requirements that first rounders do, which is why he took Bentil and Jackson there instead of more stash guys.



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Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #28 on: July 05, 2016, 02:39:37 PM »

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ainge arguably didn't take the BPA at #3, why would #16 be any different ;)

Re: Did we take BPA at #16, or were we forced to take a Stash Pick
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2016, 02:46:40 PM »

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ainge arguably didn't take the BPA at #3, why would #16 be any different ;)

Brown outplayed Simmons, the first pick in the draft yesterday.