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Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #15 on: July 04, 2016, 12:14:19 PM »

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Raise the max contracts to 50% of cap.

I think that's pretty horrible.  It decimates the NBA middle class so that anyone not on a big contract or the rookie scale will often have to play for the minimum if he can't land a MLE contract.

Good. Screw the middle class of the NBA.

Those guys don't deserve to be earning $15mil a year. Or bench guys earning $10 mil a year.

Fans don't pay money to watch those guys.

Those guys win the championships though. Both are needed.

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #16 on: July 04, 2016, 12:14:54 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #17 on: July 04, 2016, 12:15:35 PM »

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Its more of how the league has changed , and for the worse

Back then , not too long ago actually, no way a big star player would ever do something as cowardly as this.

What Durant has done is truly pathetic.

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2016, 12:17:39 PM »

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Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #19 on: July 04, 2016, 12:20:12 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

So the league is not about basketball its about getting the best captologists?

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #20 on: July 04, 2016, 12:25:57 PM »

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I see no issue nor Problem..  There is a cap, spend the money how you choose.. IF you want 4 or 5 big guns and a bunch of BB's on the bench then okay.. Have at it..

whats the gripe?

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #21 on: July 04, 2016, 12:42:05 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

So the league is not about basketball its about getting the best captologists?

The only thing that will really accomplish what you want is to eliminate free agency.  That's not happening, plus it would be horribly unfair to the players.

The point of the cap isn't to create parity.
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Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #22 on: July 04, 2016, 12:46:27 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

So the league is not about basketball its about getting the best captologists?

The only thing that will really accomplish what you want is to eliminate free agency.  That's not happening, plus it would be horribly unfair to the players.

The point of the cap isn't to create parity.

The salary floor, the cap and the luxury tax are, in fact, mostly about creating parity.

Mike

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #23 on: July 04, 2016, 12:49:20 PM »

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The solution would be no max contract limit.

Somebody would've offered KD $50 million a year.
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Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2016, 12:56:03 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

So the league is not about basketball its about getting the best captologists?

The only thing that will really accomplish what you want is to eliminate free agency.  That's not happening, plus it would be horribly unfair to the players.

The point of the cap isn't to create parity.

The salary floor, the cap and the luxury tax are, in fact, mostly about creating parity.

Mike

Thanks Mike, and anybody that does not understand this cannot fully appreciate the flaws in the policy when players can easily circumvent the cap by taking less money than they are worth on the market.

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2016, 01:06:24 PM »

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The solution would be no max contract limit.

Somebody would've offered KD $50 million a year.

but then like mentioned before,  LA and NY would have all the big stars then.  Maybe have a no Max limit for the team that has your bird rights.  Still wouldnt solve the problem.  Players like KD sign 300 million dollar endorsement deals, I really dont think its all about the money.  It cant be, otherwise he'd be in OKC.

People are just competitively weak nowadays
Greg

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2016, 01:10:57 PM »

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The solution would be no max contract limit.

Somebody would've offered KD $50 million a year.

but then like mentioned before,  LA and NY would have all the big stars then.  Maybe have a no Max limit for the team that has your bird rights.  Still wouldnt solve the problem.  Players like KD sign 300 million dollar endorsement deals, I really dont think its all about the money.  It cant be, otherwise he'd be in OKC.

People are just competitively weak nowadays
having a cap but no max doesn't mean they're all going to ny or la

I trust Danny Ainge

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #27 on: July 04, 2016, 01:13:30 PM »

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The solution would be no max contract limit.

Somebody would've offered KD $50 million a year.

Double that figure. $100+ million per year.

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #28 on: July 04, 2016, 01:15:48 PM »

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The solution would be no max contract limit.

Somebody would've offered KD $50 million a year.

but then like mentioned before,  LA and NY would have all the big stars then.  Maybe have a no Max limit for the team that has your bird rights.  Still wouldnt solve the problem.  Players like KD sign 300 million dollar endorsement deals, I really dont think its all about the money.  It cant be, otherwise he'd be in OKC.

People are just competitively weak nowadays

It is still about the money make no mistake about it, but some mega stars like Durant must win to make the mega endorsement money that dwarfs their team contracts. That is why a Durant will leave the team money to go win so he can justify the $300 million endorsement deals.

Another factor not mentioned is the 'Jerry West' card... where he sells players on outside business interests. He got Shaq to leave for LA and got him a couple of movie deals. Now there is talk that Durant was sold on business interests in Silicon Valley and Hollywood.

There is no need to have a salary cap when some players and teams can easily circumvent these caps

Re: This move illustrates the Salary Cap issue
« Reply #29 on: July 04, 2016, 01:16:50 PM »

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as long as you have mega stars earning less than the max salary individuals can skirt the pro-competition policy reason for the salary cap.

GSW now has arguably four legitimate max salary players on their team.

Curry

Thompson

Green

Durant

There should be a way to fix this. I have made this argument for years. Most notably when Karl Malone and Gary Peyton moved to the Lakers for less money than their market value.

I have no issue with the ability of GSW to both recruit Durant and sign him in the current structure.  GSW should not be penalized because they drafted well and have MVPs and All-Stars on favorable contracts.

It just emphasizes the need to draft well and develop your own talent.

This..

So the league is not about basketball its about getting the best captologists?

The only thing that will really accomplish what you want is to eliminate free agency.  That's not happening, plus it would be horribly unfair to the players.

The point of the cap isn't to create parity.

The salary floor, the cap and the luxury tax are, in fact, mostly about creating parity.

Mike

Parity is the alleged purpose, but the real reason the salary cap exists is so that billionaires can achieve cost control and suppress wages.
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