Tyler Johnson will sign 4-year, $50M offer sheet with the Brooklyn Nets

[PhoSita]

I'm fine with the Nets continuing to add borderline starter / role player type guys to their team.

My hope is they sell off Brook Lopez to a team that misses out on the bigger free agents.  Pick up a young guy or two plus a future pick.

They can have a team of journeymen and young guys that wins 25 games.  That's fine.

[kozlodoev]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

[ManUp]

Al Jefferson needs to fire his agent.

[tankcity!]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Yeah so I guess every contract moving forward should be compared to Bradley's now eh. I guess Turners contract blows. You must really hate the Eric Gordan contract to. Not that I'm in love with those contracts. Is there any contract you like? Oh yeah, you won't like any contract because we did a great job signing Bradley and Crowder before the cap rose. It's dumb to compare.

[kozlodoev]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Um Bradley signed that contract before the cap rose. It can't be applied. It's comparing Apples to Oranges.

You're not very good at reading, are you?

[tankcity!]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Um Bradley signed that contract before the cap rose. It can't be applied. It's comparing Apples to Oranges.

You're not very good at reading, are you?

Yeah so I guess every contract moving forward should be compared to Bradley's now eh. I guess Turners contract blows. You must really hate the Eric Gordan contract to. Not that I'm in love with those contracts. Is there any contract you like? Oh yeah, you won't like any contract because we did a great job signing Bradley and Crowder before the cap rose. It's dumb to compare.

[tankcity!]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Um Bradley signed that contract before the cap rose. It can't be applied. It's comparing Apples to Oranges.

You're not very good at reading, are you?

Yeah I edited my response. You also ignored last night when I stated Howard's win share was 43 and Horford's was 17...Just would like to get a response from you on that as well.

[tankcity!]

I see that you're online Koz, watching this forum. Keep hiding...

[ManUp]

Tankcity!,

You missed the point of what he said that's why he's not responding...

[kozlodoev]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Um Bradley signed that contract before the cap rose. It can't be applied. It's comparing Apples to Oranges.

You're not very good at reading, are you?

Yeah so I guess every contract moving forward should be compared to Bradley's now eh. I guess Turners contract blows. You must really hate the Eric Gordan contract to. Not that I'm in love with those contracts. Is there any contract you like? Oh yeah, you won't like any contract because we did a great job signing Bradley and Crowder before the cap rose. It's dumb to compare.

I see you're struggling here, so as a public service I'll break it down for you.

When Bradley signed, his contract had an AAV of approximately $8 million. Johnson's contract has AAV of $12.5 million. While Johnson's contract may seem considerably larger in term of nominal dollars, they are approximately the same as a share of the total team wage bill (you might be surprised, but a lot of numbers in the NBA are calculated as a percentage of the cap). So in terms of relative cap burden on the day they were signed, these contracts were fairly similar.

The slight difference here is that Bradley (and Crowder) were signed to these contracts as established starters, while Johnson got it based on 70 games, mostly off the pine. He's no spring chicken either at 24, so this is not a great contract no matter how you slice it. But if the Nets want to tie up a good percentage of the cap for years to come to Courtney Lee Lite, who am I to argue.

Also, it's spelled Eric Gordon.

[LarBrd33]

Any time you can get a guy with 68 professional games under his belt for the bargain price of $50 million dollars, you gotta do it.

That's extraordinary.

He did shoot 49%/38%/80% this season, though.

I'll admit that I've heard of him and I had an impression in my head of Tyler Johnson as a 6'9 250 pound black man who played power forward.  I thought he was some big man who made some noise last year in bench minutes.   I was gonna comment, "Oh I guess he'll fill the role Thad Young left".  I was a bit surprised when I checked his profile and realized what Tyler Johnson actually is.

[LarBrd33]

Any time you can get a guy with 68 professional games under his belt for the bargain price of $50 million dollars, you gotta do it.

That's extraordinary.

He did shoot 49%/38%/80% this season, though.

I'll admit that I've heard of him and I had an impression in my head of Tyler Johnson as a 6'9 250 pound black man who played power forward.  I thought he was some big man who made some noise last year in bench minutes.   I was gonna comment, "Oh I guess he'll fill the role Thad Young left".  I was a bit surprised when I checked his profile and realized what Tyler Johnson actually is.

Btw, what's Alexey Shved up to?  Is he still over in Europe?   How is that guy not getting a max contract from a team like Philly?  He should fire his agent.

He played 16 games for the knicks two season ago in which he averaged 15 points, 5 rebounds, 4 assists with 40%/37%/78% shooting.    How is he not making Tyler Johnson money at the very least? 

[tankcity!]

what a sad state of affairs over there in Brooklyn.

What a sad state of affairs period. I've got no idea who this is.

Speaks to your NBA knowledge.

Speaks to the fact that 24-year old undrafted nonames with less than a season's worth of semi-meaningful games are getting sizeable contracts. But then again, it's the Brooklyn Nets.

He's actually a pretty good athletic role player...You'll see for yourself this year. And please remember that this is the new salary for a role player in the NBA. It's cheaper then Turner's contract.

His contract is the equivalent of Avery Bradley's relative to the cap under which it was signed. The difference between a good managed team and a bad managed team is that one of them signs the Avery Bradleys and the Jae Croders of the world to such contracts, and the other... well, the Tyler Johnsons.

Um Bradley signed that contract before the cap rose. It can't be applied. It's comparing Apples to Oranges.

You're not very good at reading, are you?

Yeah so I guess every contract moving forward should be compared to Bradley's now eh. I guess Turners contract blows. You must really hate the Eric Gordan contract to. Not that I'm in love with those contracts. Is there any contract you like? Oh yeah, you won't like any contract because we did a great job signing Bradley and Crowder before the cap rose. It's dumb to compare.

I see you're struggling here, so as a public service I'll break it down for you.

When Bradley signed, his contract had an AAV of approximately $8 million. Johnson's contract has AAV of $12.5 million, which is considerably more. While Johnson's contract may seem considerably larger in term of nominal dollars, they are approximately the same as a share of the total team wage bill (you might be surprised, but a lot of numbers in the NBA are calculated as a percentage of the cap). So in terms of relative cap burden on the day they were signed, these contracts were fairly similar.

The slight difference here is that Bradley (and Crowder) were signed to these contracts as established starters, while Johnson got it based on 70 games, mostly off the pine. He's no spring chicken either at 24, so this is not a great contract no matter how you slice it. But if the Nets want to tie up a good percentage of the cap for years to come to Courtney Lee Lite, who am I to argue.

I still don't get it. Bradley would make like 20 million on the open market now. I don't understand how compare role players contracts to Bradley. You are basically criticizing every contract that has been signed in this off season then. Also I guess you don't remember how bad Bradley was when he signed that contract. I wouldn't have considered him a starter back then. And crowder didn't start last year either before he signed the contract. All I'm saying is if you compare the celtics contracts to all the other teams, well I guess every team is idiotic then in your perspective. I hope you understand what I mean now. Don't think I can be much clearer.

[hpantazo]

I think some of you guys are largely under rating Tyler Johnson due to lack of familiarity. He's an excellent young athletic player who did a great job on Miami last season. I can see them reasonably considering matching this offer. The Nets have made some very smart moves under their new GM. Chris Levert was also an excellent draft pick for them, a lottery level talent taken with a late 1st. Chris McCullough last year was also an excellent value pick, another lottery level talent who had fallen due to injury. Add them to RHJ and Lin, they will be a young, athletic, exciting team to watch. I expect them to get good value for Brook Lopez as well.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Who?