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Re: Al Horford's rebound rate is 131st in the NBA. . . who will rebound?
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2016, 03:31:05 PM »

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Re: Al Horford's rebound rate is 131st in the NBA. . . who will rebound?
« Reply #16 on: October 07, 2016, 03:36:47 PM »

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Speaking of rebound rate, he's had rates of 27.6 in game 1 and 21.1 in game 2. Small sample size, but I think the rebounding issues have been largely overblown.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784234993216348160

Again, small sample size, but look at ORTG and DRTG!  ;)

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« Reply #19 on: October 07, 2016, 03:45:05 PM »

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Speaking of rebound rate, he's had rates of 27.6 in game 1 and 21.1 in game 2. Small sample size, but I think the rebounding issues have been largely overblown.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784234993216348160

Again, small sample size, but look at ORTG and DRTG!  ;)

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784241380067598336

Just from the eye test he looks like a perfectly capable/decent rebounder. I think there might be legitimacy to the idea that Atlanta's scheme simply deemphasized rebounding significantly. Al is no Drummond or Jordan, but I think he'll do just fine on the boards.
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« Reply #20 on: October 07, 2016, 04:49:21 PM »

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« Reply #21 on: October 07, 2016, 05:11:11 PM »

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Speaking of rebound rate, he's had rates of 27.6 in game 1 and 21.1 in game 2. Small sample size, but I think the rebounding issues have been largely overblown.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784234993216348160

Again, small sample size, but look at ORTG and DRTG!  ;)

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784241380067598336

Just from the eye test he looks like a perfectly capable/decent rebounder. I think there might be legitimacy to the idea that Atlanta's scheme simply deemphasized rebounding significantly. Al is no Drummond or Jordan, but I think he'll do just fine on the boards.

i think his numbers were also less because of millsap playing alongside horford. millsap is pretty good rebounder too
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Speaking of rebound rate, he's had rates of 27.6 in game 1 and 21.1 in game 2. Small sample size, but I think the rebounding issues have been largely overblown.

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784234993216348160

Again, small sample size, but look at ORTG and DRTG!  ;)

https://twitter.com/ByJayKing/status/784241380067598336

Just from the eye test he looks like a perfectly capable/decent rebounder. I think there might be legitimacy to the idea that Atlanta's scheme simply deemphasized rebounding significantly. Al is no Drummond or Jordan, but I think he'll do just fine on the boards.

Atlanta and Al in particular got destroyed by the Cavs on the boards in consecutive playoff sweeps. One of the big reasons why they weren't competitive.

It's a legitimate concern re: Al.
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Not all stats are based on ability... some are based on circumstance. We'll be fine.

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This is where Sully is somewhat underrated imo.  He's young.  Very affordable by todays standards.  Howard would be an upgrade though. But he's also older, a poor free throw shooter.  Better rim protector and interior presence.  Sully is pretty underrated as an all around player though.  He can't shoot good percentages but is still young.

I think the cap is crazy where we can spend on a guy like Howard but I would be somewhat careful from a basketball standpoint.  The money is meaningless other than capping out on overrated players.

Howard also has personality issues.  We think Sully is bad lol.

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Al has been rebounding the ball great so far.  Amazing what playing him at his natural position does for him.

Al has always been better suited to play PF than C.  When Amir and Al are in the game together Al has been taking the PF assignment and amir has taken the C assignment, despite where they are being listed at.  We are seeing that small ball fours cannot compete with Al on the boards, or really at all.

We'll see how that holds up against better competition, but the results so far have confirmed pretty much exactly what I have always felt, Al is better as a PF than C.  And I think this still holds true even in today's smaller NBA.

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Rebounding won't be a strong suit of this Celtic team, put back shots will be nonexistent.

I'm hoping Zeller is trade bait to upgrade this situation somewhere in this season, because if he's not, I'm gonna ask why we didn't sign Sully for the reasonable money he got in Toronto.

Although only 6-9 he was road block around the basket, a very good rebounder, with better skills than Zeller.

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Rebounding won't be a strong suit of this Celtic team, put back shots will be nonexistent.

I'm hoping Zeller is trade bait to upgrade this situation somewhere in this season, because if he's not, I'm gonna ask why we didn't sign Sully for the reasonable money he got in Toronto.

Although only 6-9 he was road block around the basket, a very good rebounder, with better skills than Zeller.

I can answer that question right now.

Sully wanted to go somewhere where he'd start and/or get minutes. Here he would have had to split time with Horford, Johnson, Jerebko, and Olynyk. Not to mention Brad will probably use Jaylen and Jae at the stretch 4 at various points throughout the season. In summary, Sully wouldn't have had much of a place on this current roster.

I' also hypothesize that Danny offered Sully the contract he gave Zeller first considering Sully was definitely better than Zeller, but Sully turned it down because he knew he wouldn't play that big of a role.

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According to ESPN, 131 NBA players have higher rebound rates than Al Horford:
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/reboundRate/page/3/qualified/false

Assuming Al starts, who plays next to him?  Can Amir and Al play together?  Kelly and Horford together would be a disaster.  How about Al and Crowder, will that work?

I like some of the things Al could bring to the Cs.  But not being able to finish defensive possessions because of poor rebounding will kill us.

THE SKY IS FALLING!    Guys like Thomas Robinson and Alan Williams are in the top 20. This means nothing.   Matt Costello of ATL is kiling it at 27% for 12th on the list.   

Horford can rebound just fine, he did play with a guy named Paul Milsap who was 22nd on that list.   His rebound stats dropped with Milsap came to ATL as he let Paul take over that aspect of the game.

Amoung active players he is 18th in rebound percentage.

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_active.html

This preseason he is 15th in the league in overall rebounds take a look here:

http://www.foxsports.com/nba/stats?category=REBOUNDING&team=0


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Sully wanted to go somewhere where he'd start and/or get minutes. Here he would have had to split time with Horford, Johnson, Jerebko, and Olynyk. Not to mention Brad will probably use Jaylen and Jae at the stretch 4 at various points throughout the season. In summary, Sully wouldn't have had much of a place on this current roster.

This is not true.   Ainge pulled the offer, it was not as if Sully had a choice to stay.