Poll: Would you now have made the Philly trade over taking Brown?

[PhoSita]

No, the Celts don't need more role players and late 1sts that would have been stashed or traded anyway.

I'd have taken Bender instead, but Brown is a defensible pick, even if the floor on the pick is disturbingly low.

[jpotter33]

The reported trade was untrue.  Therefore, this thread has to stand on its pure entertainment value only.

Did your sources tell you that, or did "damage control Danny" come out and make vague remarks trying to settle people down and confirmation bias led you to think he was referring specifically to the Noel deal?

I love that we trust a GM, who obviously has ulterior motives to placate a fan-base, more than several differing reports from trusted national basketball reporters.

[jambr380]

Would have taken Dunn and figured out the guard rotation later.

Also would have taken Dunn for a possible future trade. From the Sixers, I preferred Okafor, but Minny and Chicago also wanted him. I think it would have given us more options.

Brown wasn't a bad selection as a player to keep, I think most of us were so disappointed to see/hear his name because it signified that no major trade was happening.

[Larry for 3]

The reported trade was untrue.  Therefore, this thread has to stand on its pure entertainment value only.

Did your sources tell you that, or did "damage control Danny" come out and make vague remarks trying to settle people down and confirmation bias led you to think he was referring specifically to the Noel deal?

I love that we trust a GM, who obviously has ulterior motives to placate a fan-base, more than several differing reports from trusted national basketball reporters.

Who have may have been feed differen inacurate info by Philly to further their agenda in trying to drum up value for a player who isn't worth what you think he is. Works both ways. You believe what you want.

[colincb]

The reported Sixers trade was a bad one for us and it tough to see how the Sixers could realistically made it better. Noel was going to be a RFA next year and that diminishes his value in a trade. If Noel gets a max or near max offer what do you do? If he doesn't, how good was he when there way too much money under the new NBA television deal chasing too little talent and you gave up the #3?

Otherwise I preferred Dunn, but the Brown pick is defensible if you think he can improve offensively. He has enough defensive ability, plays hard enough, and has enough brains and athleticism that he won't be a pure bust. He was also thought to be one of the elite prospects coming into college too.

[loco_91]

This deal would have been AWESOME. If it existed. I'm not at all sure that it did exist, but even just Noel + Covington is a nice haul, and then add two late firsts in a deep draft? Man oh man why would you pass that up.

[Tr1boy]

Would have taken Dunn and figured out the guard rotation later.

Also would have taken Dunn for a possible future trade. From the Sixers, I preferred Okafor, but Minny and Chicago also wanted him. I think it would have given us more options.

Brown wasn't a bad selection as a player to keep, I think most of us were so disappointed to see/hear his name because it signified that no major trade was happening.

Dunn didnt come in for a workout after repeated requests

Danny is turned off by these kind if prospects

[Vermont Green]

That is not a great trade.  It is the kind of trade you can talk yourself into if you try.  Part of why I say that is the idea that we may be able to sign him anyway or make a trade based around Smart.

I like Brown enough to be fine with him as the pick.  Once the trade was off, I see no reason to draft Dunn who to me is a lesser value draft pick.  I liked Heild and Murray better than Dunn too.  It is a crap shoot to try and pick which of these will ultimately be the best pick.

If I really felt Dunn was the best pick based on value, I would have taken him and not worried about the guard rotation.

[Big333223]

I voted no.

Are we sure Covington is better than Jerebko? What would Jerebko's numbers have been on Philly last season? If Covington is better, is he that much better?

That leaves Noel, 22, and 24 for the #3. 22 and 24 are basically useless to the Celtics right now unless they had some other deal on the table with a team that really wanted 3-4 more draft picks. What were they going to do, draft 2 more guys to stash overseas? Put out half of team of guys who aren't old enough to drink yet?

So, to me, that makes the bones of this deal Noel for #3 and that's an overpay.

In a vacuum, Noel, Covington, 22, and 24 is decent value for the #3 pick but with the Celtics situation I think it's a bad deal. Especially now that Philly wasn't able to ship out either Noel or Okafor and we can probably get Noel for much cheaper later this summer.

[mctyson]

I love the Brown pick.  Out of the 3-5 guys that were rumored in play at that slot, he has the most upside for us.

[LarBrd33]

Interesting to read Philly's take on it.   Libertyballers.com has two articles basically ecstatic that Collangelo didn't go through with this and they seem to be openly doubting the offer was even made.  They suggest it was a false rumor leaked from another team. 

Colangelo himself said, "The rumors and innuendo out there were false."

And they reference the fact that Wyc said nothing came remotely close to happening to suggest the rumors might have been just that - rumors.

The biggest concern for most diehards was simple -- would Colangelo rush to put a "competitive" team on the court at the expense of long-term goals? Throughout the day, rumors suggested the Sixers were treading in dangerous water. A rumored package of Nerlens Noel, Robert Covington and BOTH their later picks for the rights to Boston's No. 3 pick was floated through the rumor mill, causing nothing short of full-blown panic.

As it turns out -- and as we've suggested here several times over the last couple days -- other GMs/teams were likely the source of the smoke:

and

In as weak of a draft class as this year's was considered, the last thing you want to be doing is hiking up the draft board while everyone else is moving out. An older point guard soon to be on an expiring deal in George Hill was worth the 12th overall pick. Sacramento gave up the 8th pick for the 13th, 28th pick, and a draft and stash. That's not worth much. Teams were giving away picks like free mixtapes on street corners, yet Bryan Colangelo reportedly had his eyes set on Providence point guard Kris Dunn.

Dunn's flaws are as notable as his strengths, and although he was certainly the top point guard in this class, I think it speaks to how little competition he had more so than how good of a prospect he is. Bryan Colangelo certainly seemed to feel differently. Opposite opinions on players like Dunn are how general managers get either canned or glorified, and Colangelo seemed ready to start off his Sixers tenure by betting a lot on the 22-year-old. If the reports about the rumored deal are to be believed -- and it came from two reputable sources -- Nerlens Noel, Robert Covington and the No. 24 and No. 26 overall pick was a lot to give up for a guy a tier well below Simmons and Brandon Ingram.

All of a sudden, the fears about Colangelo came rushing back. Racing to the middle of the pack. Forcing the team into that win now mentality. This was against everything he said when he preached continuing Hinkie's path for longterm success. But by the end of the night, Kris Dunn was not in Philadelphia, and the Sixers walked away with their rim protector in Nerlens Noel, the remarkably cheap and productive Robert Covington, and two fantastic value picks in the 20s

Then they go on to brag about how they got the #12 and #20 picks on their draft board at #24 and #26.  So, as of right now, seems both sides are happy this didn't happen.

[hpantazo]

Interesting to read Philly's take on it.   Libertyballers.com has two articles basically ecstatic that Collangelo didn't go through with this and they seem to be openly doubting the offer was even made.  They suggest it was a false rumor leaked from another team. 

Colangelo himself said, "The rumors and innuendo out there were false."

And they reference the fact that Wyc said nothing came remotely close to happening to suggest the rumors might have been just that - rumors.

The biggest concern for most diehards was simple -- would Colangelo rush to put a "competitive" team on the court at the expense of long-term goals? Throughout the day, rumors suggested the Sixers were treading in dangerous water. A rumored package of Nerlens Noel, Robert Covington and BOTH their later picks for the rights to Boston's No. 3 pick was floated through the rumor mill, causing nothing short of full-blown panic.

As it turns out -- and as we've suggested here several times over the last couple days -- other GMs/teams were likely the source of the smoke:

and

In as weak of a draft class as this year's was considered, the last thing you want to be doing is hiking up the draft board while everyone else is moving out. An older point guard soon to be on an expiring deal in George Hill was worth the 12th overall pick. Sacramento gave up the 8th pick for the 13th, 28th pick, and a draft and stash. That's not worth much. Teams were giving away picks like free mixtapes on street corners, yet Bryan Colangelo reportedly had his eyes set on Providence point guard Kris Dunn.

Dunn's flaws are as notable as his strengths, and although he was certainly the top point guard in this class, I think it speaks to how little competition he had more so than how good of a prospect he is. Bryan Colangelo certainly seemed to feel differently. Opposite opinions on players like Dunn are how general managers get either canned or glorified, and Colangelo seemed ready to start off his Sixers tenure by betting a lot on the 22-year-old. If the reports about the rumored deal are to be believed -- and it came from two reputable sources -- Nerlens Noel, Robert Covington and the No. 24 and No. 26 overall pick was a lot to give up for a guy a tier well below Simmons and Brandon Ingram.

All of a sudden, the fears about Colangelo came rushing back. Racing to the middle of the pack. Forcing the team into that win now mentality. This was against everything he said when he preached continuing Hinkie's path for longterm success. But by the end of the night, Kris Dunn was not in Philadelphia, and the Sixers walked away with their rim protector in Nerlens Noel, the remarkably cheap and productive Robert Covington, and two fantastic value picks in the 20s

Then they go on to brag about how they got the #12 and #20 picks on their draft board at #24 and #26.  So, as of right now, seems both sides are happy this didn't happen.

TP for the info LB33. It makes a ton of sense, and matches what Ainge said this morning too. It is also what I have been saying all day, but some people on here still want to believe in these rumors and disappoint themselves and get angry about Ainge rejecting trades that were never actually proposed. Go figure.

[TheSundanceKid]

I think the salary going back was proposed to be Bradley rather than JJ so it an absolute no

[Snakehead]

Meanwhile from the Celtics:

https://twitter.com/Marc_DAmico/status/746437106071920640

Ainge told me the trades he discussed last night were for "good role players," not "stars." Their contracts would've affected C's FA plans.

[elcotte]

The reported trade was untrue.  Therefore, this thread has to stand on its pure entertainment value only.

Did your sources tell you that, or did "damage control Danny" come out and make vague remarks trying to settle people down and confirmation bias led you to think he was referring specifically to the Noel deal?

I love that we trust a GM, who obviously has ulterior motives to placate a fan-base, more than several differing reports from trusted national basketball reporters.

Were the trusted sources on the extension when this trade was offered?