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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #15 on: June 24, 2016, 12:56:58 PM »

Offline kozlodoev

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Hey it's a free country.  Celtics fans are allowed to cry like Nancy Kerrigan if they want.
Sure, but I wonder why they get upset when we point at them and laugh.
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #16 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:03 PM »

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I think there are just too many emotional over reactions from fans who had high expectations for unrealistic trades based on misinformation. If we had drafted Dunn, and the Sixers and Bulls refused to put together a good trade offer, these same fans would now be clamoring over the fact that we have too many guards and we have to trade one of Dunn/Smart and the league knows this so we're screwed.

IF the Bulls or Sixers were serious enough to get Dunn, they would have done so with the Suns or Wolves after us. They didn't manage to make a trade with 3 different teams that could have gotten them Dunn, so it is very apparent that they were not making good offers and what was reported was inaccurate.

TP  If the Sixer's offer was so good why didn't the Suns or Minneapolis take it? 

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #17 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:38 PM »

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I have never been more disappointed in this blog than last night and the toxic posting is only intensifying.

Too many seem more interested in conjecture and fantasy than in watching the team continue to develop in a multi-year process.

I've learned absolutely nothing from visiting this website last night and today.

Danny was very clever to not make a trade for the sake of it. To give away the shop for one player, whether it's Butler or Cousins, would have been the wrong decision.

The draft is overrated in that these players are not going to show up on day one and lift us up. People also need to chill out and wait to see what happens in free agency and trades.

While people complain about treadmills and fireworks that never happen, Danny is very close to balancing the roster.

Danny did not draft a guard. That was his best decision. That means we are all set at guard and Isaiah, Avery and Smart are that core. I expect Rozier to step up and be the fourth guard.

We have one of the best back courts in the NBA and Danny was clever to not upset that balance.

Now we are similarly all set to go at small forward. Crowder plus Brown is the same level of competence we have at guards. We are all set at three of five positions. That is something to be positive about.

I guess what needs to be known is which of these guys are draft and stash and who might play next year. Brown is obviously going to be in the rotation. His selection seems to imply that Evan Turner is not returning.

I await to see what Danny does with the front court. I can't imagine us winning less games than last year no matter what happens or doesn't happen next.

Anyone who can't wait another year or two for Danny to pull the trigger or for younger players to emerge is not the kind of fan I respect.

I await for more posts from Rollie and the few people on this blog who are thoughtful and not prone to making public hissy fits about a sport.

I would not miss Sully and Zeller and don't expect them back. I think Amir and Jerebko are returning. I hope Zizac is not draft and stash and can be the fourth or fifth big. We should be able to have a better idea about Jordan Mickey soon. It will also be Kelly's fourth year and it will be interesting to see what he does. And Marcus Smart is another player to keep an eye on.

Those who think we have a mediocre roster are fans that I don't respect. If it is so painful to follow the team and one feels they suck and everything sucks, those are not people I enjoy reading their thoughts.

I would sign Dwight Howard if at all possible. He could be the foundation for a three year window right now to win it all. He would cost nothing as a free agent other than his contract. That would take care of the antsy crowd who refuse to look ahead and forget that we are already in the hunt to be ranked as the sixth best team in the NBA.

Then in three years, all of our players still on the team from Smart to new draft picks and even the Brooklyn pick next year could be ready to compete. We do need a center. It might be Zizac. We need a bridge to get to three years in the future. If we could sign a decent free agent center to go with Amir and if Olynyk and Jerebko are decent and keep improving, we could steal a title before we even reach some longer window. Then we become the San Antonio Spurs.

If Danny strikes out on free agency, we are still a 48+ win team with a ton of assets. Or we could redo last year when some blogger all over this page kept saying the Nets were solid and could make the playoffs or late lottery. You can do that. I won't.

I believe right now we are only one player away from winning it all. That may or may not happen. We will definitely get that one or two players eventually and within a couple years. No one has a crystal ball. It either happens or doesn't this Summer or the passing of time ensures it will.

If we added Dwight Howard to the roster, how does the opponent score on us?

It's only been three years! People need to relax and enjoy this. We've gone from being at the bottom of the league to sixth best or top ten at least. The Brooklyn Nets did crumble and continue to crumble.

Maybe Zizac is not draft and stash and he can be the fourth big. Sure, we need Olynyk to take the next step. We need one more move for bigs. One move!

I place the bar for next season at 50+ wins and to win a playoff series or two.

It's gonna be fun. Will Smart shoot better? What about his point guard skills? Can he handle that for ten minutes a game? Or will Rozier make it into the rotation?

With Turner probably now gone, someone like Olynyk will have to assert himself playing some point-center or Rozier has to get it done. Or Smart will be the one. Isaiah can't play the whole game.

That is a better problem than if Ainge had drafted Dunn and there'd be too much of a logjam.

Patience is needed.

Appreciating what you have is needed.

It took Danny and Brad only a year and a half to turn the Celtics into a playoff team. Think about that!

Maybe some Celtics fans should find a different sport to follow.

They are obviously creating ulcers and not having much fun.

The guys getting drafted are usually around 19. Marcus Smart played his rookie year and so will Brown. We just added another core player for the next ten to fifteen years.

Can Jaylen and Jae play together? That would help. But that is not a problem for next year. It will only be an issue years later if they are both very good yet redundant.

While others are whining and crying, I will continue to enjoy the green kool-aid. The Celtics glass is three quarters full. The light at the end of the tunnel has entered the picture. We are one center away from winning it all or being right there. We didn't have to gut the team to get one superstar. I don't think Danny is done. I wasn't happy with David Lee, but I think a healthy Amir is part of the current core. Amir and Olynyk is not a bad tandem for power forward/center. We need one true center so guys like them are not overwhelmed. KG turned into a true center, but Danny never filled the hole left by Perk's departure.

I am curious how our front court will end up. Everything else seems to have been solved.


How long have you been watching this team?

#1   19 24 vs .500 or better clubs 

#2   14  31 when the opponent scores more than 100 points

#3  No defensive presence in the Frontcourt

#4  No outside Shooters

And you wonder why all the negativity

19-24- our problem was the East, we have trouble with some teams who we play the most like the Hawks, Cavs and Raptors. Without those 3 teams we are actually decent 16-15. Some of these 500 teams we played when Crowder was injured-Hawks, OKC etc

14  31 when the opponent scores more than 100 points - we are a defensive team, its obvious that if an opponent scores more than 100 we will lose, it means we failed to do what we do best.

No defensive presence in the Frontcourt -we can address that in FA, plus Mickey will probably help that this year and Zizic in the next few years

No outside Shooters- We got shooters this year in the French guy and Bentil, plus again FA is an option.

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #18 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:45 PM »

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Celticsblog math:

But what if Noel and Covington brought the 10 wins they got last year with them to our team...wouldn't that make us a 58 win team by adding them?


Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #19 on: June 24, 2016, 12:57:51 PM »

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Seems a lot of the fans are smarter than Ainge from the stupid stunt he pulled last night.

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #20 on: June 24, 2016, 12:58:12 PM »

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You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.

It's sad how accurate this is
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #21 on: June 24, 2016, 12:58:14 PM »

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You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.

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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #22 on: June 24, 2016, 12:58:46 PM »

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Just a slight correction. He /did/ draft a guard, possibly the third best in the draft who fell far enough that it was a no-brainer to take him. Rozier will have an interesting fight on his hands.

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #23 on: June 24, 2016, 12:59:56 PM »

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TP to you.  I was seriously embarrassed last night reading people's comments.  All the posters seriously crucifying Ainge "why didn't you take Dunn the Twolves just got Butler" etc etc.  Where was that trade?  It was all garbage.

I thought Celtics fans were better.  Even today there is the same whining around from Clark and others.
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #24 on: June 24, 2016, 01:01:00 PM »

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How long have you been watching this team?

#1   19 24 vs .500 or better clubs 

#2   14  31 when the opponent scores more than 100 points

#3  No defensive presence in the Frontcourt

#4  No outside Shooters

And you wonder why all the negativity
And I guess adding Noel on a one year rental and/or swapping half of your starting lineup for Butler fixes all of this, right?
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #25 on: June 24, 2016, 01:01:47 PM »

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You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.

TP for the laugh.

I suppose you could tell whom I was referring to. 

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #26 on: June 24, 2016, 01:02:11 PM »

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I think there are just too many emotional over reactions from fans who had high expectations for unrealistic trades based on misinformation. If we had drafted Dunn, and the Sixers and Bulls refused to put together a good trade offer, these same fans would now be clamoring over the fact that we have too many guards and we have to trade one of Dunn/Smart and the league knows this so we're screwed.

IF the Bulls or Sixers were serious enough to get Dunn, they would have done so with the Suns or Wolves after us. They didn't manage to make a trade with 3 different teams that could have gotten them Dunn, so it is very apparent that they were not making good offers and what was reported was inaccurate.

TP  If the Sixer's offer was so good why didn't the Suns or Minneapolis take it?

Exactly. I address this question to ShAQATTACK and CoachBo and everyone who insists Ainge passed on a great deal last night.

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #27 on: June 24, 2016, 01:03:42 PM »

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Seems a lot of the fans are smarter than Ainge from the stupid stunt he pulled last night.

Who were your picks pre-draft?

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #28 on: June 24, 2016, 01:07:19 PM »

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Please look back and see all the people crying about how we only got the number 3 pick. Seriously upset that we got the third freaking pick in the draft!!! A top 3 pick is worthless because it's a "two player draft." lol I can't with people sometimes. We may not come away with the good players (that's why it's a called a lottery) but I guarantee this is not a 2 player draft, it never is. It doesn't surprise me that people are upset now. This board would look the same no matter who we picked.
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #29 on: June 24, 2016, 01:08:08 PM »

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You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.

TP for the laugh.
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The older folks were mostly die-hards and/or masochists who enjoyed rooting for the laundry of a perennial 30-win team. I'm glad that a good amount of them are still around, but the population certainly got somewhat watered down.
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