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The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« on: June 24, 2016, 11:55:38 AM »

Offline CelticPride2016

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I have never been more disappointed in this blog than last night and the toxic posting is only intensifying.

Too many seem more interested in conjecture and fantasy than in watching the team continue to develop in a multi-year process.

I've learned absolutely nothing from visiting this website last night and today.

Danny was very clever to not make a trade for the sake of it. To give away the shop for one player, whether it's Butler or Cousins, would have been the wrong decision.

The draft is overrated in that these players are not going to show up on day one and lift us up. People also need to chill out and wait to see what happens in free agency and trades.

While people complain about treadmills and fireworks that never happen, Danny is very close to balancing the roster.

Danny did not draft a guard. That was his best decision. That means we are all set at guard and Isaiah, Avery and Smart are that core. I expect Rozier to step up and be the fourth guard.

We have one of the best back courts in the NBA and Danny was clever to not upset that balance.

Now we are similarly all set to go at small forward. Crowder plus Brown is the same level of competence we have at guards. We are all set at three of five positions. That is something to be positive about.

I guess what needs to be known is which of these guys are draft and stash and who might play next year. Brown is obviously going to be in the rotation. His selection seems to imply that Evan Turner is not returning.

I await to see what Danny does with the front court. I can't imagine us winning less games than last year no matter what happens or doesn't happen next.

Anyone who can't wait another year or two for Danny to pull the trigger or for younger players to emerge is not the kind of fan I respect.

I await for more posts from Rollie and the few people on this blog who are thoughtful and not prone to making public hissy fits about a sport.

I would not miss Sully and Zeller and don't expect them back. I think Amir and Jerebko are returning. I hope Zizac is not draft and stash and can be the fourth or fifth big. We should be able to have a better idea about Jordan Mickey soon. It will also be Kelly's fourth year and it will be interesting to see what he does. And Marcus Smart is another player to keep an eye on.

Those who think we have a mediocre roster are fans that I don't respect. If it is so painful to follow the team and one feels they suck and everything sucks, those are not people I enjoy reading their thoughts.

I would sign Dwight Howard if at all possible. He could be the foundation for a three year window right now to win it all. He would cost nothing as a free agent other than his contract. That would take care of the antsy crowd who refuse to look ahead and forget that we are already in the hunt to be ranked as the sixth best team in the NBA.

Then in three years, all of our players still on the team from Smart to new draft picks and even the Brooklyn pick next year could be ready to compete. We do need a center. It might be Zizac. We need a bridge to get to three years in the future. If we could sign a decent free agent center to go with Amir and if Olynyk and Jerebko are decent and keep improving, we could steal a title before we even reach some longer window. Then we become the San Antonio Spurs.

If Danny strikes out on free agency, we are still a 48+ win team with a ton of assets. Or we could redo last year when some blogger all over this page kept saying the Nets were solid and could make the playoffs or late lottery. You can do that. I won't.

I believe right now we are only one player away from winning it all. That may or may not happen. We will definitely get that one or two players eventually and within a couple years. No one has a crystal ball. It either happens or doesn't this Summer or the passing of time ensures it will.

If we added Dwight Howard to the roster, how does the opponent score on us?

It's only been three years! People need to relax and enjoy this. We've gone from being at the bottom of the league to sixth best or top ten at least. The Brooklyn Nets did crumble and continue to crumble.

Maybe Zizac is not draft and stash and he can be the fourth big. Sure, we need Olynyk to take the next step. We need one more move for bigs. One move!

I place the bar for next season at 50+ wins and to win a playoff series or two.

It's gonna be fun. Will Smart shoot better? What about his point guard skills? Can he handle that for ten minutes a game? Or will Rozier make it into the rotation?

With Turner probably now gone, someone like Olynyk will have to assert himself playing some point-center or Rozier has to get it done. Or Smart will be the one. Isaiah can't play the whole game.

That is a better problem than if Ainge had drafted Dunn and there'd be too much of a logjam.

Patience is needed.

Appreciating what you have is needed.

It took Danny and Brad only a year and a half to turn the Celtics into a playoff team. Think about that!

Maybe some Celtics fans should find a different sport to follow.

They are obviously creating ulcers and not having much fun.

The guys getting drafted are usually around 19. Marcus Smart played his rookie year and so will Brown. We just added another core player for the next ten to fifteen years.

Can Jaylen and Jae play together? That would help. But that is not a problem for next year. It will only be an issue years later if they are both very good yet redundant.

While others are whining and crying, I will continue to enjoy the green kool-aid. The Celtics glass is three quarters full. The light at the end of the tunnel has entered the picture. We are one center away from winning it all or being right there. We didn't have to gut the team to get one superstar. I don't think Danny is done. I wasn't happy with David Lee, but I think a healthy Amir is part of the current core. Amir and Olynyk is not a bad tandem for power forward/center. We need one true center so guys like them are not overwhelmed. KG turned into a true center, but Danny never filled the hole left by Perk's departure.

I am curious how our front court will end up. Everything else seems to have been solved.

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #1 on: June 24, 2016, 11:59:02 AM »

Offline PaulAllen

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Its funny how so many people know how to run this team better than DA..
Wyc needs to monitor these boards and find his new GM..

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #2 on: June 24, 2016, 12:02:13 PM »

Offline Diggles

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I Agree....  EVERYONE discounts all years and years these guys have played, coached, scouted, managed the team.   in the last 10 years we are in tops in wins in this league.   Sell out crowds..etc.   Sounds like they are doing a good job to me.   All the people that want to fire Danny are probably in credit card debit anyway...
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« Reply #3 on: June 24, 2016, 12:02:17 PM »

Offline TheBigTicket23

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TP!

Of course I was hoping for a big deal to get through. But if it's not there, it's not there. Who knows what the asking price for JimmyBuckets was? I def do not believe Minny was getting him with #5 + Lavine.

We are in great shape and our team just got better with a terrific kid who is putting in the work and recently stood his own in a 1on1 workout against Butler. Brown is going to be better Jay Crowder with the same intensity.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2016, 12:08:25 PM »

Offline flybono

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I have never been more disappointed in this blog than last night and the toxic posting is only intensifying.

Too many seem more interested in conjecture and fantasy than in watching the team continue to develop in a multi-year process.

I've learned absolutely nothing from visiting this website last night and today.

Danny was very clever to not make a trade for the sake of it. To give away the shop for one player, whether it's Butler or Cousins, would have been the wrong decision.

The draft is overrated in that these players are not going to show up on day one and lift us up. People also need to chill out and wait to see what happens in free agency and trades.

While people complain about treadmills and fireworks that never happen, Danny is very close to balancing the roster.

Danny did not draft a guard. That was his best decision. That means we are all set at guard and Isaiah, Avery and Smart are that core. I expect Rozier to step up and be the fourth guard.

We have one of the best back courts in the NBA and Danny was clever to not upset that balance.

Now we are similarly all set to go at small forward. Crowder plus Brown is the same level of competence we have at guards. We are all set at three of five positions. That is something to be positive about.

I guess what needs to be known is which of these guys are draft and stash and who might play next year. Brown is obviously going to be in the rotation. His selection seems to imply that Evan Turner is not returning.

I await to see what Danny does with the front court. I can't imagine us winning less games than last year no matter what happens or doesn't happen next.

Anyone who can't wait another year or two for Danny to pull the trigger or for younger players to emerge is not the kind of fan I respect.

I await for more posts from Rollie and the few people on this blog who are thoughtful and not prone to making public hissy fits about a sport.

I would not miss Sully and Zeller and don't expect them back. I think Amir and Jerebko are returning. I hope Zizac is not draft and stash and can be the fourth or fifth big. We should be able to have a better idea about Jordan Mickey soon. It will also be Kelly's fourth year and it will be interesting to see what he does. And Marcus Smart is another player to keep an eye on.

Those who think we have a mediocre roster are fans that I don't respect. If it is so painful to follow the team and one feels they suck and everything sucks, those are not people I enjoy reading their thoughts.

I would sign Dwight Howard if at all possible. He could be the foundation for a three year window right now to win it all. He would cost nothing as a free agent other than his contract. That would take care of the antsy crowd who refuse to look ahead and forget that we are already in the hunt to be ranked as the sixth best team in the NBA.

Then in three years, all of our players still on the team from Smart to new draft picks and even the Brooklyn pick next year could be ready to compete. We do need a center. It might be Zizac. We need a bridge to get to three years in the future. If we could sign a decent free agent center to go with Amir and if Olynyk and Jerebko are decent and keep improving, we could steal a title before we even reach some longer window. Then we become the San Antonio Spurs.

If Danny strikes out on free agency, we are still a 48+ win team with a ton of assets. Or we could redo last year when some blogger all over this page kept saying the Nets were solid and could make the playoffs or late lottery. You can do that. I won't.

I believe right now we are only one player away from winning it all. That may or may not happen. We will definitely get that one or two players eventually and within a couple years. No one has a crystal ball. It either happens or doesn't this Summer or the passing of time ensures it will.

If we added Dwight Howard to the roster, how does the opponent score on us?

It's only been three years! People need to relax and enjoy this. We've gone from being at the bottom of the league to sixth best or top ten at least. The Brooklyn Nets did crumble and continue to crumble.

Maybe Zizac is not draft and stash and he can be the fourth big. Sure, we need Olynyk to take the next step. We need one more move for bigs. One move!

I place the bar for next season at 50+ wins and to win a playoff series or two.

It's gonna be fun. Will Smart shoot better? What about his point guard skills? Can he handle that for ten minutes a game? Or will Rozier make it into the rotation?

With Turner probably now gone, someone like Olynyk will have to assert himself playing some point-center or Rozier has to get it done. Or Smart will be the one. Isaiah can't play the whole game.

That is a better problem than if Ainge had drafted Dunn and there'd be too much of a logjam.

Patience is needed.

Appreciating what you have is needed.

It took Danny and Brad only a year and a half to turn the Celtics into a playoff team. Think about that!

Maybe some Celtics fans should find a different sport to follow.

They are obviously creating ulcers and not having much fun.

The guys getting drafted are usually around 19. Marcus Smart played his rookie year and so will Brown. We just added another core player for the next ten to fifteen years.

Can Jaylen and Jae play together? That would help. But that is not a problem for next year. It will only be an issue years later if they are both very good yet redundant.

While others are whining and crying, I will continue to enjoy the green kool-aid. The Celtics glass is three quarters full. The light at the end of the tunnel has entered the picture. We are one center away from winning it all or being right there. We didn't have to gut the team to get one superstar. I don't think Danny is done. I wasn't happy with David Lee, but I think a healthy Amir is part of the current core. Amir and Olynyk is not a bad tandem for power forward/center. We need one true center so guys like them are not overwhelmed. KG turned into a true center, but Danny never filled the hole left by Perk's departure.

I am curious how our front court will end up. Everything else seems to have been solved.


How long have you been watching this team?

#1   19 24 vs .500 or better clubs 

#2   14  31 when the opponent scores more than 100 points

#3  No defensive presence in the Frontcourt

#4  No outside Shooters

And you wonder why all the negativity

Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #5 on: June 24, 2016, 12:19:58 PM »

Offline dannyboy35

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I certainly don't think we are a top six team. I don't know how many wins we get but as far as legit chance to win a title we are not a top ten team either. Gs,sa,Indy, ny,Miami,Toronto,cavs,okc,clippers, Portland, plus teams like the twolves and bucks have incredible assets to build on. Nice optimism but I'd have to disagree. I can wAit for a long time too to contend but I just think we are soooo far away.

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« Reply #6 on: June 24, 2016, 12:30:23 PM »

Offline Bobshot

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The fans have a right to a point of view--one way or another. They pay the bills.

I'm sure a lot of those fans at the draft party last night are season ticket holders who paid a thousand bucks or more for those ticket packages.

Chad Ford's grade on the Celtics, in another thread, was pretty accurate in my view. Ainge drafted some good talent, but he didn't use his resources to make the team better next year--which it was time to do.

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« Reply #7 on: June 24, 2016, 12:36:51 PM »

Offline SHAQATTACK

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Fans were screwed last night.

They waited for a REAL deal

It was there for the taking nd the MGMT threw it away ......on a silver platter .....and it was ignored.

Could be the worst draft night in Celtic history

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« Reply #8 on: June 24, 2016, 12:42:26 PM »

Offline Dwnflfan

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If I could give you a thousand Tommy Points CelticsPride2016 I'd do it.  You'll have to settle for 1 for now.

I've never been embarrassed to be a C's fan...until last night.  Brown has been one of the players on the list for the #3 pick for months and the fan base acted like the C's drafted someone projected to go #20.  My favorite we're all the tweets saying, "WHO!?!?!?", after pick #16.  If you hadn't heard of the guy before why do you think your opinion matters in the slightest?  You're just announcing your ignorance to the world.

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« Reply #9 on: June 24, 2016, 12:47:03 PM »

Offline Dwnflfan

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Fans were screwed last night.

They waited for a REAL deal

It was there for the taking nd the MGMT threw it away ......on a silver platter .....and it was ignored.

Could be the worst draft night in Celtic history

Explain, what was ignored.  The opportunity to draft the players YOU wanted?  A trade that you have personal detailed knowledge of, (not just rumors that may or not be true). that would have made the Celtics title contenders?

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« Reply #10 on: June 24, 2016, 12:47:04 PM »

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Hey it's a free country.  Celtics fans are allowed to cry like Nancy Kerrigan if they want.

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« Reply #11 on: June 24, 2016, 12:47:53 PM »

Offline Scintan

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The fans were fine.

The idea that this team is just one player away from winning it all is crazy, and illustrative of the mindset of far too many Celtics fans.


When people are free to do as they please, they usually imitate each other.

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« Reply #12 on: June 24, 2016, 12:48:58 PM »

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I think there are just too many emotional over reactions from fans who had high expectations for unrealistic trades based on misinformation. If we had drafted Dunn, and the Sixers and Bulls refused to put together a good trade offer, these same fans would now be clamoring over the fact that we have too many guards and we have to trade one of Dunn/Smart and the league knows this so we're screwed.

IF the Bulls or Sixers were serious enough to get Dunn, they would have done so with the Suns or Wolves after us. They didn't manage to make a trade with 3 different teams that could have gotten them Dunn, so it is very apparent that they were not making good offers and what was reported was inaccurate.

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« Reply #13 on: June 24, 2016, 12:54:59 PM »

Offline greenrunsdeep41

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Yea, this forum has become so whiney that it is hard to read. I feel like somehow people feel entitled to a miracle trade or draft and when it doesn't happen they complain like a whiney little brother. NONE OF YOU have any proof that any trades where on the table. And if you complain about Yab, or call him fat then you just simply haven't done your research. And you're being blinded by sexy picks, it's not that it's not possible that some guys after him could end up better, we don't know, but that's just the point.... We don't know. And at 16 you make gambles on the guys you like. Oh, and if you like Russell Westbrook- you're going to like Jaylen Brown.
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Re: The problem isn't the Celtics. It's some of the fans.
« Reply #14 on: June 24, 2016, 12:56:41 PM »

Offline SCeltic34

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You'll find this kind of complaining among all fanbases of major sports teams.  Just ignore them or laugh at their knee-jerk reactions.  Some of the negative responses are actually pretty comical, even if they can be over the top and annoying at times.

In general, people need to remember that the outspoken opinions of a few don't represent the viewpoints of the regular users of C's blog as a whole.  Oftentimes posters here will group the blog together, making generalized statements like "people here think Ainge is a draft savant" and proceed to post negative remarks in a condescending tone. 

This is a great blog with many, many knowledgeable fans.  There are other sports boards where practically every topic degenerates into flamewars and insults without meaningful discussion.  Don't let the complaining on C's blog detract you from the fact that this is overall a well-moderated and great sports forum.