This was "Not" a Win-Now Draft

[mmmmm]

We will not know how good this draft is for years...that is the bottom-line truth...that is where i think the problem lies for most people...i guess the caveat is FA but i wouldnt hold your breath...i think another issue is the inconsistency between last year's approach and this year's approach...last year was swing for the fences and trade up vs basically trading down ala belichik...i know different circumstances can dictate different responses but a radical shift from last year is confusing people...i think anothink another mistake is thinking players drafted much lower should somehow mysteriously have been lottery or 1st round talents...we may improve incremently but we are fated to waiting for bkn pick next year and do this all over again which begs the question...is it just luck?

I don't believe you should ever rely on any draft pick to help you, "win now", unless you know it is a transformative player like a Duncan -- and even he only helped win because SAS was already a very powerful roster.

The NBA is simply brutal and unkind to rookies and playoff teams as a rule do not depend on rookies.

So imho, no draft pick is a 'win now' pick.   You should never pick a player in the draft to fill a "win now" need.

Whether this 'draft' is was a 'win now' draft, well Danny clearly ran it with a 'win now' strategy.  He very clearly chose to pick 'stashable' players for two of his three first round picks.   That, along with trading two of the 2nd for a future 1st and the probability of stashing some or all of the remaining 3 second round picks, means we only have to try to absorb as low as one rookie onto this coming season's roster.

That would mean we could actually KEEP all the following players on roster and STILL have up to 4 open roster slots:

Isaiah
Avery
Jae
Marcus
Amir
Jonas
Rozier
RJ
Mickey
Young
Jaylen

Obviously, Amir and Jonas are not yet guaranteed so that might open up even one or two more slots.

Basically, the way Danny ran this draft maximizes his flexibility and ability to add as many as 4 or even 6 free agents (or players added through trade).

That makes it actually _possible_ for him to employ a "win now" strategy for this coming year, should the free agent market be kind and work out.

[Eja117]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

[i believe in brad]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

You don't think Brown's first year as a backup 3 will be an upgrade from last year? 

I'm curious, say there were absolutely no trades to be had.  Who would you have picked at 3 to make us immediately better now?

[Eja117]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

You don't think Brown's first year as a backup 3 will be an upgrade from last year? 

I'm curious, say there were absolutely no trades to be had.  Who would you have picked at 3 to make us immediately better now?

I don't believe there were no trades to be had. The evidence is overwhelmingly against this idea.

[libermaniac]

I love the patient approach and watching the young guys that we drafted turn into winners before our eyes.  I'm looking forward to watching Jaylen play along with the rest of this scrappy bunch.  We didn't need to trade #3 for Nerlens Noel who is a year from being an RFA.  That's just silly.  And, no need to trade Crowder and AB and the 3 for Butler ... Brown may very well be better than Butler in a few years.

[i believe in brad]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

You don't think Brown's first year as a backup 3 will be an upgrade from last year? 

I'm curious, say there were absolutely no trades to be had.  Who would you have picked at 3 to make us immediately better now?

I don't believe there were no trades to be had. The evidence is overwhelmingly against this idea.

Obviously there were trade offers, but I wouldn't go as far as to say there's evidence that there were Celtics favorable trades.  But since we're just speculating that some of the offers were actually what was being reported, out of the following 2 trades which would you have done:

1. 3rd pick for Noel, Covington, 24, 26

2. 3rd pick, 16th pick, AB, Crowder for Butler (or something similar involving 3 and 16 + 2 of AB/Crowder/Smart)

[tarheelsxxiii]

I'm a strong advocate of letting vets and underwhelming sophomores go, plug in Jaylen, and brings the Euros over for on court experience this season. Youth movement.

[D Dub]

Bottom line, trading that pick for Noel or Okafor would have been a better move, and the front office tried to get cute & got burned for it.

Now, as result, we have zero chance to sign Durant. 

We would have been better off over-paying for Butler, and keeping the 10% chance of teaming him with Durant alive. 

[Eja117]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

You don't think Brown's first year as a backup 3 will be an upgrade from last year? 

I'm curious, say there were absolutely no trades to be had.  Who would you have picked at 3 to make us immediately better now?

I don't believe there were no trades to be had. The evidence is overwhelmingly against this idea.

Obviously there were trade offers, but I wouldn't go as far as to say there's evidence that there were Celtics favorable trades.  But since we're just speculating that some of the offers were actually what was being reported, out of the following 2 trades which would you have done:

1. 3rd pick for Noel, Covington, 24, 26

2. 3rd pick, 16th pick, AB, Crowder for Butler (or something similar involving 3 and 16 + 2 of AB/Crowder/Smart)

First one and I would have strongly considered going to get Thaddeus Young too. The only thing I wonder about that is whether they were trying to save money for the max contract thing.

I am also very curious if a trade could be had with the Bucks.

[Eja117]

Bottom line, trading that pick for Noel or Okafor would have been a better move, and the front office tried to get cute & got burned for it.

Now, as result, we have zero chance to sign Durant. 

We would have been better off over-paying for Butler, and keeping the 10% chance of teaming him with Durant alive.

That's the thing. If you overpay for Butler, and sign Horford Durant would have been facing the possibility of signing with a very very good team with TWO years in a row of top 5 picks.

But now we can't know because the office wussed out.

[Clench123]

Neither is it a win-later draft. 

I see these ridiculous threads as a reaching attempt to give Danny another pass, something he's been getting forever.  He brought us a championship 10 years ago, whoopty doo.  It's time to move on and hold him up to his decision as the GM of the team.

Anyone wants to bet we don't win a championship in the next 7 years?

Fab Melo, JJJ, Young,...haven't you had enough?

Make the f'ing deal and get the team what it needs.  Do your f'ing job, Danny.

[i believe in brad]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

You don't think Brown's first year as a backup 3 will be an upgrade from last year? 

I'm curious, say there were absolutely no trades to be had.  Who would you have picked at 3 to make us immediately better now?

I don't believe there were no trades to be had. The evidence is overwhelmingly against this idea.

Obviously there were trade offers, but I wouldn't go as far as to say there's evidence that there were Celtics favorable trades.  But since we're just speculating that some of the offers were actually what was being reported, out of the following 2 trades which would you have done:

1. 3rd pick for Noel, Covington, 24, 26

2. 3rd pick, 16th pick, AB, Crowder for Butler (or something similar involving 3 and 16 + 2 of AB/Crowder/Smart)

First one and I would have strongly considered going to get Thaddeus Young too. The only thing I wonder about that is whether they were trying to save money for the max contract thing.

I am also very curious if a trade could be had with the Bucks.

I would not have done the first "rumored" trade so it's just a difference of opinion.  On Thad Young, doesn't that just keep us treading water towards the top of the East?  I thought we were trying to get superstars here because that's all people talk about.  Noel and Thad are not superstars and they are certainly not attracting any superstars.

On the Bucks rumors, I take all these rumors lightly but I doubt we were getting Middleton and Monroe for the cheap offers I was seeing.

[i believe in brad]

Neither is it a win-later draft. 

I see these ridiculous threads as a reaching attempt to give Danny another pass, something he's been getting forever.  He brought us a championship 10 years ago, whoopty doo.  It's time to move on and hold him up to his decision as the GM of the team.

Anyone wants to bet we don't win a championship in the next 7 years?

Fab Melo, JJJ, Young,...haven't you had enough?

Make the f'ing deal and get the team what it needs.  Do your f'ing job, Danny.

You're acting like he's been whiffing on top 5 picks all these years.  Can't we see what happens when he gets the opportunity to pick a top flight talent like Brown before we bash him?

FYI not bashing Danny for Fab Melo, JJJ, Young isn't giving him a pass, it's recognizing that is the cost of making mid-round picks in the NBA.  If he whiffs on Brown, however, that is an issue.

[mctyson]

It wasn't but it was a get better now draft. That didn't happen.

They did.

How? Drafting a 19 year old 3rd in a two player draft doesn't cut it for me by a long shot, so I'm curious on this one.

Here's how they got better:

They did not dismantle the nucleus of a 48-win team, the 4th youngest in the league, to add someone who might not have actually helped them win more games.

[MBunge]

Bottom line, trading that pick for Noel or Okafor would have been a better move, and the front office tried to get cute & got burned for it.

Now, as result, we have zero chance to sign Durant. 

We would have been better off over-paying for Butler, and keeping the 10% chance of teaming him with Durant alive.

That's the thing. If you overpay for Butler, and sign Horford Durant would have been facing the possibility of signing with a very very good team with TWO years in a row of top 5 picks.

But now we can't know because the office wussed out.

But we pretty clearly would have had to gut out team to sign Butler and who knows if Horford would ever come to Boston?

Mike