The Official 2016-2017 Brooklyn Nets Season Watch Thread (20-62, #1)

[saltlover]

https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/816827216256323589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Not good news for the Brooklyn pick. Winslow likely out for the rest of season after shoulder surgery.

With Riley's virtual admission that they'll be tanking the rest of the year, this Winslow injury will just make it easier for them.

They're the third worst record in the league right now at 10-26. Brooklyn is at 8-25 at the moment. I worry about them down the stretch. I think Philly should stay slightly ahead of Brooklyn for most of the season, especially after Simmons comes back. But I could see the Heat rivaling the Nets for futility at the end of the season, especially if they trade off Dragic.

I'm not worried at all. Not only are the Nets terrible, but this draft is ludicrously deep. All we need is a top-7 pick.

I'm more worried about the trade value of it. If we have any chance of trading it before the deadline, we'd need them to be leading the tankathon race, or at least right there close to it.

I'm also afraid that as the college season goes on there will be a clear consensus cut-off, and we'll end up right on the other side of that cut-off, similar to this past summer's two-man draft. I pretty much guarantee that a trade would've got done if we had the second pick instead of the third pick, let alone the first pick.

Then you're irrationally worried.  The Nets will have a bottom 3 record, and likely bottom 2, by the deadline.  No more than 13 wins by that point.

Also, that two-player draft stuff is also nonsense.  Brown already looks ahead of Ingram.

[jpotter33]

https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/816827216256323589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Not good news for the Brooklyn pick. Winslow likely out for the rest of season after shoulder surgery.

With Riley's virtual admission that they'll be tanking the rest of the year, this Winslow injury will just make it easier for them.

They're the third worst record in the league right now at 10-26. Brooklyn is at 8-25 at the moment. I worry about them down the stretch. I think Philly should stay slightly ahead of Brooklyn for most of the season, especially after Simmons comes back. But I could see the Heat rivaling the Nets for futility at the end of the season, especially if they trade off Dragic.

I'm not worried at all. Not only are the Nets terrible, but this draft is ludicrously deep. All we need is a top-7 pick.

I'm more worried about the trade value of it. If we have any chance of trading it before the deadline, we'd need them to be leading the tankathon race, or at least right there close to it.

I'm also afraid that as the college season goes on there will be a clear consensus cut-off, and we'll end up right on the other side of that cut-off, similar to this past summer's two-man draft. I pretty much guarantee that a trade would've got done if we had the second pick instead of the third pick, let alone the first pick.

Then you're irrationally worried.  The Nets will have a bottom 3 record, and likely bottom 2, by the deadline.  No more than 13 wins by that point.

Also, that two-player draft stuff is also nonsense.  Brown already looks ahead of Ingram.

Sure, now, but that was the overwhelming impression of that draft, i.e. that it was a two-person draft.

But I agree. I wasn't very high on Ingram at all, and I thought Simmons was the only one who stood out over the rest, though he still had his question marks.

I obviously wanted to trade the pick first, but I'm happy with Brown. I thought 2-8 was pretty much a wash potential-wise. I'm still upset that we didn't try and trade with Sacramento for number 8 and Chriss, though, especially at that price. Chriss and Brown would've made a very, very dynamic and athletic wing duo moving forward.

And I don't expect us to trade the pick at the deadline, either. There's still too much risk involved with where it lands in the lottery that I doubt any team really takes that chance, unless they're really wanting to finish tanking the rest of the season for their own pick, too.

[max215]

https://twitter.com/MiamiHEAT/status/816827216256323589?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

Not good news for the Brooklyn pick. Winslow likely out for the rest of season after shoulder surgery.

With Riley's virtual admission that they'll be tanking the rest of the year, this Winslow injury will just make it easier for them.

They're the third worst record in the league right now at 10-26. Brooklyn is at 8-25 at the moment. I worry about them down the stretch. I think Philly should stay slightly ahead of Brooklyn for most of the season, especially after Simmons comes back. But I could see the Heat rivaling the Nets for futility at the end of the season, especially if they trade off Dragic.

I'm not worried at all. Not only are the Nets terrible, but this draft is ludicrously deep. All we need is a top-7 pick.

I'm more worried about the trade value of it. If we have any chance of trading it before the deadline, we'd need them to be leading the tankathon race, or at least right there close to it.

I'm also afraid that as the college season goes on there will be a clear consensus cut-off, and we'll end up right on the other side of that cut-off, similar to this past summer's two-man draft. I pretty much guarantee that a trade would've got done if we had the second pick instead of the third pick, let alone the first pick.

Ughhh, I'm becoming more and more convinced that trading the '17 Pick would be a monumental mistake.

[Monkhouse]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

[jpotter33]

Boy, I'm really glad that Miami matched that Tyler Johnson contract. With his shooting stroke he would've really helped Brooklyn with their high volume of threes that they take.

EDIT: Miami up 10 in Sacramento with 2:30 to go in the first half.

[GratefulCs]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

we're definitely getting a first round pick 

[jpotter33]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

[Monkhouse]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

I do whatever it takes to get Boogie.

All we need is a floor stretching, and big man that can score inside and rebound.

Who do you choose? Boogie, Butler, or George?

[max215]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

[saltlover]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

That is not what the new CBA does.  People really need to calm down over this.  Furthermore, the new CBA will expire before any 2017 draftee has a chance to be eligible for the special designated veteran max deal.  So you're really putting the cart before the horse in this instance.

[clevelandceltic]

However it does provide incentives for players to stay where they are so that they can sign for the designated max if they are eligible.

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

That is not what the new CBA does.  People really need to calm down over this.  Furthermore, the new CBA will expire before any 2017 draftee has a chance to be eligible for the special designated veteran max deal.  So you're really putting the cart before the horse in this instance.

[jpotter33]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

Well, it'd be 5 years of Boogie, not one, because he's not getting traded without any assurances, let alone if it's this summer and the possibility of an extend-and-trade is there.

So probably Boogie, if I'm going to be honest, because right now teams simply don't have an answer for him. The top 3 teams in the league (GS, CLE, SAS) literally have 0 answer for someone like Boogie, and the closest they come is 6'9" 238 lbs Tristan Thompson for 6'11" 270 lbs Demarcus Cousins. And we've all seen how effective going big is against the new small-ball trend.

Boogie is a legit MVP contender in Boston, which is something that you can't say about Fultz for quite some time, if ever.

[max215]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

That is not what the new CBA does.  People really need to calm down over this.  Furthermore, the new CBA will expire before any 2017 draftee has a chance to be eligible for the special designated veteran max deal.  So you're really putting the cart before the horse in this instance.

Well, if Fultz ends up hitting his ceiling he'd have to be willing to turn down a ridiculous amount of money to leave. But you're right, it's a moot point given that the CBA is a 7 year agreement and Fultz wouldn't be eligible for 8 years. Ultimately, my point about control still stands, though. You're effectively guaranteed 9 years of a star draftee; you're guaranteed 1 year of Boogie.

[green_bballers13]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

Well, it'd be 5 years of Boogie, not one, because he's not getting traded without any assurances, let alone if it's this summer and the possibility of an extend-and-trade is there.

So probably Boogie, if I'm going to be honest, because right now teams simply don't have an answer for him. The top 3 teams in the league (GS, CLE, SAS) literally have 0 answer for someone like Boogie, and the closest they come is 6'9" 238 lbs Tristan Thompson for 6'11" 270 lbs Demarcus Cousins. And we've all seen how effective going big is against the new small-ball trend.

Boogie is a legit MVP contender in Boston, which is something that you can't say about Fultz for quite some time, if ever.

I agree that I like Boogie. Like Durant, he should and will be able to pick which team he signs with next. I don't think a short term trade will affect his decision.

If he wants to sign in Boston, he will. If he wants to sign in LA, he will. The choice will be his.

Knowing this, I don't see a reason to trade for him. In fact, wouldn't Boogie rather go to a team with 3 top picks under the age of 21 who might eventually become stars? Trading such picks doesn't make Boston more enticing for the big man.

[saltlover]

If we get the first round pick, I see Ainge trading it for a superstar.

Yeah, I can't imagine us keeping it, especially the number one pick. There's so much allure and hyperbole surrounding these players and prospects around the draft that the number one pick is absolutely worth way more than its value. And with how much allure it has, we could get a Boogie/Butler/George type without adding hardly anything else to it, similar to the Love deal.

Would you rather have 14 years of Fultz or 1 year of Boogie? Of course, it's not quite that simple, but the new CBA highly incentivizes drafting your own talent.

Well, it'd be 5 years of Boogie, not one, because he's not getting traded without any assurances, let alone if it's this summer and the possibility of an extend-and-trade is there.

So probably Boogie, if I'm going to be honest, because right now teams simply don't have an answer for him. The top 3 teams in the league (GS, CLE, SAS) literally have 0 answer for someone like Boogie, and the closest they come is 6'9" 238 lbs Tristan Thompson for 6'11" 270 lbs Demarcus Cousins. And we've all seen how effective going big is against the new small-ball trend.

Boogie is a legit MVP contender in Boston, which is something that you can't say about Fultz for quite some time, if ever.

I agree that I like Boogie. Like Durant, he should and will be able to pick which team he signs with next. I don't think a short term trade will affect his decision.

If he wants to sign in Boston, he will. If he wants to sign in LA, he will. The choice will be his.

Knowing this, I don't see a reason to trade for him. In fact, wouldn't Boogie rather go to a team with 3 top picks under the age of 21 who might eventually become stars? Trading such picks doesn't make Boston more enticing for the big man.

It is highly unlikely we will have the cap room to sign Boogie in 2018 when he becomes a free agent.  It's been nice having cap room, but all good things come to an end.