Kevin Pelton - 6 Cs Trade Scenarios

[BitterJim]

Surprised how many are for the Monroe trade. He has negative value. He makes teams worse. No way I would ever want the Celtics to trade for him.

The picks given up would be lucky to even play an NBA game.  Monroe would be an upgrade on Sully.  I don't see how anyone can say that it's a bad trade (except the Bucks)

If I think a player will make the team worse, I don't really care if we are giving up nothing. It would be a bad trade for us. He is better than Sully, but he has a history of making every team he plays on worse now. Detroit and Mil. The Bucks are probably dying to get rid of him now. If you want to take a flier on him just to see if Stevens can work magic with him, I guess it would be fine, but this isn't really as much of a home run as some are making it seem, IMO. It doesn't matter if those picks are unlikely to play a game in the NBA, because I'd prefer the team not to become worse. He is negative value in my mind so giving up any asset for him second rounders included is not good.

I don't think Monroe would make this team worse, though.  On the Pistons, he couldn't play next to Drummond, which meant that all of his minutes were either with Drummond (which was a terrible combo) or keeping Drummond (a superior player) off the floor.  And on the Bucks, he was an inside player on a team with no outside threats.  The bucks were worse last year not because of Monroe, but because of horrible fit and the disastrous MCW deal.  They traded Knight for MCW and went from 30-23 pre-trade deadline to 10-18 post deadline (1 game was on the day of the trade deadline, and featured neither Knight nor MCW, so it was ignored).  Then, to make their shooting even worse, they let go of Ilyasova and replaced him with Monroe, a post player.  They took 15% fewer 3s and hit them at a lower clip.  A player like Monroe is never gonna succeed in a system like that.

Monroe's not a player you want to build around, but he's a great addition for a team that needs bigs and has shooting (a lineup with IT/AB/Crowder/KO or Amir/Monroe would have good spacing offensively).  He's not a player to sell the farm for, but he's not going to make the team worse.  He'd add some great rebounding and a go-to presence inside late in games

[guava_wrench]

It seems odd to me that so many posters aren't accepting how the NBA landscape has changed for big men.

Having a big man that can't spread the floor is bad.

Having a big man that can't show and recover on pick and rolls AND can't spread the floor is death.

Greg Monroe is not a starting player for a competitive team. It looks like he will never be.

Okafor is young, but until he solves one of these two problems, he isn't a starting caliber player either.

The trade is essentially giving up two second round picks and some salary cap space to replace Zeller with a guy who averaged over 15 and 8 last season.  Monroe last season would have been Boston's leading rebounder and third leading scorer.  For two second round picks.

I'm not a Monroe fan, but...TWO SECOND ROUND PICKS?

Mike

David Lee almost doubled his RPG on Dallas. We have no idea what stats Monroe would have had in Boston. We don't even know what his MPG would have been.

If we can't sign difference makers, trading for one year roster filler like this could make sense. The problem is that the draft is to early to make that commitment.

[csfansince60s]

Surprised how many are for the Monroe trade. He has negative value. He makes teams worse. No way I would ever want the Celtics to trade for him.

The picks given up would be lucky to even play an NBA game.  Monroe would be an upgrade on Sully.  I don't see how anyone can say that it's a bad trade (except the Bucks)

If I think a player will make the team worse, I don't really care if we are giving up nothing. It would be a bad trade for us. He is better than Sully, but he has a history of making every team he plays on worse now. Detroit and Mil. The Bucks are probably dying to get rid of him now. If you want to take a flier on him just to see if Stevens can work magic with him, I guess it would be fine, but this isn't really as much of a home run as some are making it seem, IMO. It doesn't matter if those picks are unlikely to play a game in the NBA, because I'd prefer the team not to become worse. He is negative value in my mind so giving up any asset for him second rounders included is not good.

I don't think Monroe would make this team worse, though.  On the Pistons, he couldn't play next to Drummond, which meant that all of his minutes were either with Drummond (which was a terrible combo) or keeping Drummond (a superior player) off the floor.  And on the Bucks, he was an inside player on a team with no outside threats.  The bucks were worse last year not because of Monroe, but because of horrible fit and the disastrous MCW deal.  They traded Knight for MCW and went from 30-23 pre-trade deadline to 10-18 post deadline (1 game was on the day of the trade deadline, and featured neither Knight nor MCW, so it was ignored).  Then, to make their shooting even worse, they let go of Ilyasova and replaced him with Monroe, a post player.  They took 15% fewer 3s and hit them at a lower clip.  A player like Monroe is never gonna succeed in a system like that.

Monroe's not a player you want to build around, but he's a great addition for a team that needs bigs and has shooting (a lineup with IT/AB/Crowder/KO or Amir/Monroe would have good spacing offensively).  He's not a player to sell the farm for, but he's not going to make the team worse.  He'd add some great rebounding and a go-to presence inside late in games

TP.....Greg Monroe is better than any big that we had last season.....by far.

The guy is durable, runs the floor well, rebounds and scores inside real well and just turned 26 earlier this month. So he doesn't take 3s....BFD!!!

In his last year in Detroit, with Josh Smith and Drummond, it was a s***t show. He then goes to a Bucks team with a bunch of young players, no shooters and a team with no identity.

Bring Moose here. Big value.

[Forza Juventus]

Even I don't think that's enough to trade for Monroe

[LooseCannon]

Surprised how many are for the Monroe trade. He has negative value. He makes teams worse. No way I would ever want the Celtics to trade for him.

I have soured a lot on Monroe...but for two second round picks?  How can could Boston say no?  Worst comes to worst, Monroe would still be a huge upgrade on Zeller.

Mike

Do you want to pay him that much if he plays the same minutes as Zeller did last season?

[Granath]

Surprised how many are for the Monroe trade. He has negative value. He makes teams worse. No way I would ever want the Celtics to trade for him.

I have soured a lot on Monroe...but for two second round picks?  How can could Boston say no?  Worst comes to worst, Monroe would still be a huge upgrade on Zeller.

Mike

Do you want to pay him that much if he plays the same minutes as Zeller did last season?

Is there any reasonable, non-injury scenario where Monroe would only play 12 minutes per game for the Celtics? I don't see one.