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**** at these one-sided draft proposals. 

Okafor for the #3 pick is fair value for both sides.  People need to lay off the crack pipe with the sixers needing to throw in much more. Indeed, they may have enough to get BOTH Simmons and Dunn but time will tell.

Now, that doesn't mean we need to do the trade because maybe we prefer the player we can get at #3.  Up to Danny, assuming any of this is true.  But so annoyed at ridiculous fans.  You can bet that any trade a fan would make is going to be one-sided.

But many experts agree that Philly will have to send out more than Oakafor.

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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  · 1m1 minute ago 
Per league source, several teams have been in contact with Sixers about Okafor,Noel, including BOS & NO.


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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  ·I'll be on @SportsRadioWIP at 10 to discuss Sixers, & what I was told.

I've been listening to him just now and he said he didn't have names (contrary to the tweet), but he said that both BOS and NO have been talking a lot to the Sixers recently based on a source that he trusts based off past experience. He also said that he'd be surprised if it was just Okafor for the 3rd pick.

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Who knows what that means if anything. It could be the Sixers who have been pushing for a deal.

I'd shoot Ainge if he's trading the #3 straight up for Noel who is going to get a big payday next year,

I'm not surprised at all if that is the case. 

Dunn has serious star potential, and is (IMHO) a far more valuable asset then Okafor. 

You could also argue that Hield, Brown and Bender all have more value then Okafor, given the latter's major limitations in today's game.

Problem is that I don't think there is anything the Sixers have beyond Okafor/Noel that actually has any value, and I can't see them trading both of those guys because Embiid is such a high risky basket to put all your eggs into. 

Beside #1 their next highest pick is #24, and I really have no interest in trading #3 for Okafor + #24.

What else could they possibly offer?

 

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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  · 1m1 minute ago 
Per league source, several teams have been in contact with Sixers about Okafor,Noel, including BOS & NO.


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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  ·I'll be on @SportsRadioWIP at 10 to discuss Sixers, & what I was told.

I've been listening to him just now and he said he didn't have names (contrary to the tweet), but he said that both BOS and NO have been talking a lot to the Sixers recently based on a source that he trusts based off past experience. He also said that he'd be surprised if it was just Okafor for the 3rd pick.

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Who knows what that means if anything. It could be the Sixers who have been pushing for a deal.

I'd shoot Ainge if he's trading the #3 straight up for Noel who is going to get a big payday next year,

I'm not surprised at all if that is the case. 

Dunn has serious star potential, and is (IMHO) a far more valuable asset then Okafor. 

You could also argue that Hield, Brown and Bender all have more value then Okafor, given the latter's major limitations in today's game.

Problem is that I don't think there is anything the Sixers have beyond Okafor/Noel that actually has any value, and I can't see them trading both of those guys because Embiid is such a high risky basket to put all your eggs into. 

Beside #1 their next highest pick is #24, and I really have no interest in trading #3 for Okafor + #24.

What else could they possibly offer?

The rights to Saric or the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick

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**** at these one-sided draft proposals. 

Okafor for the #3 pick is fair value for both sides.  People need to lay off the crack pipe with the sixers needing to throw in much more. Indeed, they may have enough to get BOTH Simmons and Dunn but time will tell.

Now, that doesn't mean we need to do the trade because maybe we prefer the player we can get at #3.  Up Danny, assuming any of this is true.  But so annoyed with
TP.  I'm excited for the draft.  It's pretty awesome that there's even a possibility of us getting Okafor.   Hopefully Danny can pull it off.  The 76ers situation (with them needing to dump bigs now that they have franchise players in Embiid and Simmons) offers a nice consolation prize for us ending up #3 in a 2-player draft.  Because of Philly's unique situation, we have a chance to get a far better prospect (Okafor) than what's available to us.  That's exciting.

That is your opinion, which you are entitled to. 

I strongly disagree,



 

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**** at these one-sided draft proposals. 

Okafor for the #3 pick is fair value for both sides.  People need to lay off the crack pipe with the sixers needing to throw in much more. Indeed, they may have enough to get BOTH Simmons and Dunn but time will tell.

Now, that doesn't mean we need to do the trade because maybe we prefer the player we can get at #3.  Up to Danny, assuming any of this is true.  But so annoyed at ridiculous fans.  You can bet that any trade a fan would make is going to be one-sided.

But many experts agree that Philly will have to send out more than Oakafor.
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But it flies against pretty basic logic.  If okafor was in this draft, he'd be in the conversation for the top 2 and I think he'd pretty much be a slam dunk for #3.

Now maybe Danny doesn't like him.  Or maybe he doesn't think he fits.  In that case don't even consider a trade. But the value is about right for #3.  That's all I'm saying.

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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  · 1m1 minute ago 
Per league source, several teams have been in contact with Sixers about Okafor,Noel, including BOS & NO.


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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  ·I'll be on @SportsRadioWIP at 10 to discuss Sixers, & what I was told.

I've been listening to him just now and he said he didn't have names (contrary to the tweet), but he said that both BOS and NO have been talking a lot to the Sixers recently based on a source that he trusts based off past experience. He also said that he'd be surprised if it was just Okafor for the 3rd pick.

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Who knows what that means if anything. It could be the Sixers who have been pushing for a deal.

I'd shoot Ainge if he's trading the #3 straight up for Noel who is going to get a big payday next year,

I'm not surprised at all if that is the case. 

Dunn has serious star potential, and is (IMHO) a far more valuable asset then Okafor. 

You could also argue that Hield, Brown and Bender all have more value then Okafor, given the latter's major limitations in today's game.

Problem is that I don't think there is anything the Sixers have beyond Okafor/Noel that actually has any value, and I can't see them trading both of those guys because Embiid is such a high risky basket to put all your eggs into. 

Beside #1 their next highest pick is #24, and I really have no interest in trading #3 for Okafor + #24.

What else could they possibly offer?

Something doesn't make sense here. Why would NO, with just as much of a logjam at the big position as Philly (with much less quality at that), be interested in either Okafor or Noel?? They have Davis, Asik, and Ajinca all locked up for four plus years, the former two on big money deals, too.

This is why I think there's something else at play. They could very well be looking to trade down to just take Dunn and pick up other pieces in the process, which is why we'd be heavily involved with talks with them being in the perfect place for such a move. I have no idea who that would be with New Orleans, though - Evans or Holiday? But it certainly wouldn't make sense that they're interested in Okafor or Noel, because Davis will eventually be a 5 full-time anyways. And I think the advanced stats even show that he's much better as the 5 than the 4.
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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  · 1m1 minute ago 
Per league source, several teams have been in contact with Sixers about Okafor,Noel, including BOS & NO.


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Jon Johnson ‏@jonjohnsonwip  ·I'll be on @SportsRadioWIP at 10 to discuss Sixers, & what I was told.

I've been listening to him just now and he said he didn't have names (contrary to the tweet), but he said that both BOS and NO have been talking a lot to the Sixers recently based on a source that he trusts based off past experience. He also said that he'd be surprised if it was just Okafor for the 3rd pick.

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Who knows what that means if anything. It could be the Sixers who have been pushing for a deal.

I'd shoot Ainge if he's trading the #3 straight up for Noel who is going to get a big payday next year,

I'm not surprised at all if that is the case. 

Dunn has serious star potential, and is (IMHO) a far more valuable asset then Okafor. 

You could also argue that Hield, Brown and Bender all have more value then Okafor, given the latter's major limitations in today's game.

Problem is that I don't think there is anything the Sixers have beyond Okafor/Noel that actually has any value, and I can't see them trading both of those guys because Embiid is such a high risky basket to put all your eggs into. 

Beside #1 their next highest pick is #24, and I really have no interest in trading #3 for Okafor + #24.

What else could they possibly offer?

The rights to Saric or the unprotected 2019 Sacramento pick

Neither interests me much.

By 2019 we're likely going to be well beyond the 'building' phase and will probably be looking to win now, and there is no telling where Sacramento will be by that time. 

Saric just doesn't interest me, period.  God only knows if he will ever even come to the NBA. It's been 2+ years already.

Kris Dunn has a very high probability of becoming a future star, and I have zero interest in giving that up for a one dimensional big man, an undetermined future pick, and/or a euro guy who may never be be good enough to produce in the NBA.  I will pass on that.

Only way they would even move the needle for me is if they offered Okafor and Noel for #3 and #16 - honestly I probably still wouldn't do it because we already know the two cannot play together.

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Okafor is a relic of a bygone NBA era.  He'd be a perfectly average fit for what will be a perfectly average team, that remains perfectly stuck in NBA purgatory for us.  The guy adds no rim protection (of which many prospects at #3 would or can), little rebounding, and not much of a game save for playing with his back to the basket; which is a skill that matters less and less as the years go on.

This would be a move just for the sake of making a move, and it would be a disastrous one imho.  Adding Okafor moves our needle exactly 0% in either direction.  I'd rather we roll the dice with Chriss or even Bender at 3 and hope for the best, as both men are infinitely more athletic, actually have range, and are already adept at contesting shots at the rim (not to mention that, as we keep seeing time and time again in today's NBA, when in doubt between 2 similar prospects, you usually always want to go with the more athletic option in the hopes that it will be prevalent enough to cover up other short falls).

The biggest problem was not our ability to score near the basket last year.  It was an issue, true enough.  But we have PLENTY of issues to go around.  To me, especially against Atlanta in the playoffs, it was painfully obvious that we couldn't match their bigs on D or protect the rim.  With defense turning into an outside-in proposition, I just don't see how adding Jahlil helps us anywhere in an area we desperately need improving.

Suffice to say, to me, this move would be a move for the sake of making a move on draft night with all of our "assets."  But look, when the Celtics can trade their lottery pick for a young veteran on Draft night, you have to do it, it always works out.....hey anyone seen Sebastian Telfair lately?

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.
im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.
So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84922.0

"Jeff Teague or trade Okafor for the 3rd pick and draft Sunn? Dunn vs Teague? I like dunn

Kyler: You are assuming thats possible to do... Boston not moving the 3 just for Okafor, would take a lot more."
Yeah.  That was the same day Kyler said Okafor was better than every prospect available at #3 and that it wasn't even close.  So that was pretty funny.

If Philly decides they are willing to move Okafor for #3, I expect us to take it - unless we have some grander plan in place to trade the 3rd pick as a means to lure Kevin Durant.  Otherwise, it's a pretty easy decision to make.  You grab the BPA - and that's Okafor.

There comes a time when you just have to admit you're wrong. And you're believing Tim Welsh's report. Is he even reliable?
K... if we land Okafor for less than the #3 pick I'll admit I am wrong - in between tears of pure joy.   Until then... I'll believe it when I see it.  PM me in a few days if we get Okafor for less than the #3 pick.  Until then, hold off on your proclamations I'm wrong, because you read some posturing leading up to the draft.

We've been prepared to give up more than that pick for Okafor for over a year.   As recently as the trade deadline, we were trying to trade a large package including the pick for Okafor.  If Boston is saying they need a "lot more" than just Okafor for the #3 pick - they lyin.  Likely just some nonsense trying to drive up the price of the pick with hopes of using it for a bigger fish than Okafor - like Cousins.

If we don't have a shot to land a established star for the pick, and Philly offers us Okafor for #3, I expect us to do it
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**** at these one-sided draft proposals. 

Okafor for the #3 pick is fair value for both sides.  People need to lay off the crack pipe with the sixers needing to throw in much more. Indeed, they may have enough to get BOTH Simmons and Dunn but time will tell.

Now, that doesn't mean we need to do the trade because maybe we prefer the player we can get at #3.  Up to Danny, assuming any of this is true.  But so annoyed at ridiculous fans.  You can bet that any trade a fan would make is going to be one-sided.

But many experts agree that Philly will have to send out more than Oakafor.
Obviously everyone is entitled to their opinion.  But it flies against pretty basic logic.  If okafor was in this draft, he'd be in the conversation for the top 2 and I think he'd pretty much be a slam dunk for #3.

Now maybe Danny doesn't like him.  Or maybe he doesn't think he fits.  In that case don't even consider a trade. But the value is about right for #3.  That's all I'm saying.

Many of Okafor's the skills that people thought would project to the NBA (e.g. passing, rebounding) have not, and all the things people worried would hurt him (defense, jump shot) have.  The Okafor we saw last season was pretty much the worst case scenario - I don't think anybody projected that Okafor was going to be that much of a liability, or THAT one dimensional.

I was all over the idea of getting Okafor in the draft because I thought that he'd dominate the post, get to the line at will, be a quality playmaker from the post, and rebound the ball at a high level.  I figured those things alone would make him a fringe star from day one, and if he improved his defense and jumper then the sky is the limit.

It didn't work out that way.  He looks at least a step or two slower then I expected now that he's up against NBA caliber athletes, his playmaking skills were terrible, his defense was far worse then I could have possible imagined, he couldn't get tot he line to save his life, and his rebounding effort was woeful.

At this rate even if he DOES develop a midrange jumper, he still has far too many critical flaws in his game to be of any real use to anybody. 

I cannot remember the last time I saw a 19 YO post-up big man with such imposing physical size who draws fouls and rebounds as poorly as Okafor does.  To me that indicates a severe lack of physicality and a serious lack of motor - combine those with his questionable conditioning and unspectacular mobility and I just can't stop myself from seeing flashbacks of Jared Sullinger every time the work "Okafor" pops up.

Sullinger was a beast in college, and everybody raved about his post game, his physicality, his toughness, his work ethic, etc - much like Okafor.  Then once he got to the NBA he looked fatter, slower, lazier - it's like he got to the league, to his paycheck, and that's all he cared about.  I see so much of that in Okafor and it scares the hell out of me.

Then I look at guys like Dunn - high character kid who has such an impressive all round game on both ends of the court. I can't justify giving that up for a guy with as many red flags as Okafor has right now.
 
Maybe he'll prove me wrong, but right now I am not intersted.

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Best case scenario would be finding a way to trade for Okafor while drafting and keeping Dunn (or even Brown). I doubt that is possible but one can dream. Hopefully Okafor's value has dropped enough that there's a small probability.
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If we do to trade for Okafor I dont think it should be centered around bradley or 3 but instead around Smart the 16th and 23rd. Lets save our real assets for a real impact player

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Can't believe people just crap all over the 20 year old Okafor like he's worth nothing. This talent would be a great get. Big man talent like him don't grow on trees in this league. He's got a shot at being special and you've seen him already for 1 year.

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Welsh said:

- Cs more interested in Noel than Okafor,
- Sixers would want the #3 pick to ensure Dunn selection,
- Sixers want to do this before Thursday,
- Sixers have been all over Providence doing background (highly likely to be true since Welsh coached Providence and would have strong contacts there still), and
- Bender workout was awful to the Cs and other teams who saw it.

Really did not mention what else, if anything, that might be involved in such a trade other than the 3 and Noel. I'd be shocked and disappointed if it was a straight deal of the #3 for Noel myself.

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Welsh said:

- Cs more interested in Noel than Okafor,
- Sixers would want the #3 pick to ensure Dunn selection,
- Sixers want to do this before Thursday,
- Sixers have been all over Providence doing background (highly likely to be true since Welsh coached Providence and would have strong contacts there stil)l, and
- Bender workout was awful to the Cs and other teams who saw it.

Really did not mention what else, if anything, that might be involved in such a trade other than the 3 and Noel. I'd be shocked and disappointed if it was a straight deal of the #3 for Noel myself.


I think Okafor we could fetch without 3. let some other lotto team trade them the pick for dunn for noel