Rumor: Celtics, among others, in contact with Sixers about Noel/Okafor

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

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Celts and Sixers trade talk heats up. Philly really really wants Dunn per Tim Welsch. @CSNNE

Quotes are confusing. Why so many?

I said "Okafor was #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs."
I did not say the other stuff.

Quotes are confusing--why so many?

I said " Okafor was #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs."

I did not say ".... wanted more for Okafor...." That's somebody else.

Great, then we should expect more than just Okafor in return.

Okafor was a #3 in what may have been a stronger draft for bigs.

The Celtics reportedly already stated a few weeks ago that they want more than Okafor for #3.

Posturing.  Believe it when I see it.

#3 for Okafor makes too much sense for both teams.

Apparently, there's no players at #3 with all-star potential.  Philly might be getting 75 cents on the dollar, but they have a position log jam.   Boston gets a better prospect.  Philly alleviates their position jam.  Boston alleviates the position log jam they'd have if they draft another guard.   We need a big.  They need a guard.   Danny likes Okafor.  Philly likes Dunn.  Makes a lot of sense for both teams.

Except that everyone with inside knowledge says that Philly is not getting #3 for Okafor. NBA GMs seem much less infatuated with Okafor than you, Lar.

"Everyone" = one report.   Let's see what happens Thursday.   There's plenty of people still saying Okafor for #3 is a win for Boston.

[Beat LA]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

Regardless of those two morons, I couldn't do that to AB.  Don't get me wrong, I'm all for trading the guy, but at least put him on a good team/contender.  He's more than earned it.

[LarBrd33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

[jpotter33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84922.0

"Jeff Teague or trade Okafor for the 3rd pick and draft Sunn? Dunn vs Teague? I like dunn

Kyler: You are assuming thats possible to do... Boston not moving the 3 just for Okafor, would take a lot more."
 

[LarBrd33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting. 

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84922.0

"Jeff Teague or trade Okafor for the 3rd pick and draft Sunn? Dunn vs Teague? I like dunn

Kyler: You are assuming thats possible to do... Boston not moving the 3 just for Okafor, would take a lot more."

[LarBrd33]

Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

im having trouble interpreting this post.

It's not the post, Thats what they said on Sports tonight.

 And yeah it didn't make sense. I don't think Ford is on top of this. AB for Okafor/Noel doesn't get Philly what they want which is Dunn. #3 gets you Okafor, MAYBE Noel, DA wants a bit more. Which he should, he's not the one seeking out the pick.

So we're at a point now where Boston would struggle to get Nerlens Noel for the #3 pick?  Interesting.

Honestly I'd be happy with either.  I'd love to have Noel.  It's comical to me people think Okafor is not worth the #3, but Nerlens is worth more than #3.  When you consider that this is the last year of Noels' rookie contract, it's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to Thursday so I can stop reading stupid things one way or the other.

Keep the pick.  Trade it.  Whatever.

http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=84922.0

"Jeff Teague or trade Okafor for the 3rd pick and draft Sunn? Dunn vs Teague? I like dunn

Kyler: You are assuming thats possible to do... Boston not moving the 3 just for Okafor, would take a lot more."

Yeah.  That was the same day Kyler said Okafor was better than every prospect available at #3 and that it wasn't even close.  So that was pretty funny.

If Philly decides they are willing to move Okafor for #3, I expect us to take it - unless we have some grander plan in place to trade the 3rd pick as a means to lure Kevin Durant.  Otherwise, it's a pretty easy decision to make.  You grab the BPA - and that's Okafor.

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

Danny needs to get the #1 somehow.

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

Would absolutely love that pairing.

If we'd send Bradley off Noel, I doubt Butler would still be in the game due to costing us too much. However, a core of IT, Smart, Crowder, Love, and Noel would be decently enticing to someone like Durant, and we'd still have room to make more moves.

[walker834]

Okafor or Noel  vs Brown or Bender for us.  Sixers want Dunn.  I think this is a good trade for the sixers.  Not sure it is for us?  Seems like trading for the sake of trading to me.  Sixers really help themselves and get the pg they desire.  It depends how good you think Okafor or Noel is.  I'm not sure I prefer them over Bender or Brown.  We have KO and Smart.  Okafor would give us a low post presence.   Noel would give us a shot blocking presence.   Dunn gives them a pg when they have a plethora of big men.   It makes sense.  I just don't know if I would do it.

Something has to give ultimately.  We can keep hoping for Durant or make moves to improve our team.  In that regard it's a good trade, although I fear getting caught in the middle.

the more I think about it we can keep acquiring assets and hope for a superstar.   The sixers are basically doing the same or just make  moves to improve.  Right now I'm still holding my cards but might say just do it Danny eventually.

If there is no way of Butler coming here or Durant why not? Danny's plan is somewhat flawed in this regard.   Doc always made that comment how the hawks had some good players but the Celtics had like 5 great players.  Us and the Sixers are kind of becoming that to the GSs and Clevelands of the world.  We do have Brad Stevens though, nets picks still coming and Okafor is good.  It would give us one more player that fits us. Get us out of the 1st round with more Nets picks coming.   That might work.

I just don't see where Okafor or Noel are that big an upgrade over  Brown or  BEnder.  They fit us better. The same can be said with the sixers though too.  I'd prefer Brown or Bender in ways.

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

AB and #3 + smaller pieces for Noel and Love is something I could get behind.
You should be able to keep Rozier and Kelly in those deals and then you have IT Smart Crowder Love Noel Rozier Kelly. Thats a great core especially if Love sees a resurgence and you keep Brooklyn '17 and just one of Smart or Rozier makes a big leap.

That seems like a team that could really entice KD a year from now if he goes the 1+1 route.

If you are talking best case scenarios Smart locks himself in a gym and comes back shooting 34% from deep and KLove looks like Minny KLove you could easily see that team in the ECF and theyd have the cap to max out KD and slide him seemlessly into that lineup.

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Now CSN is saying #3 pick for one of Noel/Okafor. Said Ford is reporting (guessing) AB for one of them.

Wait, are you saying CSN is saying something different than Ford?

I think I'd do AB for Noel without blinking. I love AB, but Noel's defense and athleticism would be HUGE for us, especially with Smart ready to step in at the two spot.

And after a quick look, the only places seemingly still suggesting Okafor for #3 is "SixersSense," who also said Okafor for Wiggins should happen. 

Tim Welsh says he's hearing #3 for either Noel or Okafor

Felger said Ford said: AB for either Noel or Okafor.

AB for Noel/Okafor makes sense, then leaves us with #3 to move in a package for Butler.

I'd be happy with AB for Noel if we have a strong plan in place to land a solid SG. 

People seem to think Butler is worth a heck of a lot more than just the #3 pick, though.  I've seen it suggested it would cost us #3 + Thomas + Crowder.  No thanks.

Moving #3 to a 3rd team as a way to acquire Kevin Love, and pairing him with NOel, would be pretty interesting.

Would absolutely love that pairing.

If we'd send Bradley off Noel, I doubt Butler would still be in the game due to costing us too much. However, a core of IT, Smart, Crowder, Love, and Noel would be decently enticing to someone like Durant, and we'd still have room to make more moves.

you were quicker on the draw so Ill toss you a TP.

[BDeCosta26]

It's crazy to me that after three years of tanking Philly is trying to break up the one strength they have before they even see how it plays on the court.

Why not rebuild your team around your 3 lotto 7 footers?  There's enough minutes for all of them, and none of them can play a full season at starters minutes without getting hurt anyways.

Cause they tried that this year, and it was terrible. In today's NBA you need to have at least one big who can shoot consistently from 18+. On top of that, Okafor can't guard 4's AT ALL, and putting Noel on 4's takes away from his biggest strength, rim protection. Who knows if Embiid will ever play.

They have to move AT LEAST one of those guys if they're gonna take Simmons, and they should move one of them anyways.

In fairness to Okafor, can he guard anyone, lol?

Haha, yeah. I saw him guard Sullinger pretty good once. That's about it though

Okafor is a seriously flawed player. A lot of players are flawed, but his flaws are a lot harder to hide than say, Noel's.